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[handbags_harris]

How exactly is Holloway a better manager?

Ian Holloway

Where are the statistics for 1996/97 where he took a struggling Bristol Rovers to 17th in the division?
Where are the statistics for 1997/98 where he took a previously struggling Bristol Rovers to the Division 2 playoffs?
Where are the statistics for 1998/99 where he led Bristol Rovers to a disappointing 13th place?
1999-0 League 1 - Bristol Rovers 17th - WRONG - finished 7th (disappointingly as they had been top at the beginning of April)
2000-1 League 1 - Bristol Rovers 5th (PO Semis) - WRONG - relieved of duties midway through the season, Rovers relegated come season's end, appointed QPR manager in February 01 but can't save them from relegation
2001-2 League 1 - QPR - Relegated - WRONG - midtable in Division 2
2002-3 League 2 - QPR - Mid-table - WRONG - playoff runners up to Cardiff City

If you're going to quote records and statistics as a basis for your argument Snowy, you kind of have to make sure the records and statistics you use are either correct, or indeed use the whole field available to you. I know for a fact, without even having to look it up, that the above statistics for Ian Holloway are wrong. I don't know how much this skews your statistics mate, it may not even make a difference to the general outcome, but for so long you've harped on about using statistics that represent the whole picture. Could at least practice what you preach fella...

[Pepe the Horseman]

Didn't he also take Palace from top to 6th? Although they ended up winning the playoffs.

[handbags_harris]

Yep, but I hope it's clear from my wording I don't actually have an axe to grind either way. If Holloway was appointed manager here I'd be happy with that, although I see no reason to not get behind Adkins as I think, in the grand scheme of things, he's doing a job very much within the realms of "ok".

[trueroyal1871]

I thought Reading looked great with the ball but vulnerable without it. The injuries are still hurting us though, having to bring on three players with about 10 appearences between them to see a game out is far from ideal. When (if) we have the likes of Williams, Guthrie and McLeary back we will look pretty strong.

Our passing was as good as I've seen in years with no one looking uncomfortable receiving the ball to feet.

Plenty to like about the team at the moment, exciting football, decent passing, squad of what appear to be committed players, good team spirit, good work ethic and plenty of opportunity for youth. That Adkins has achieved all this whilst STILL not having an owner and having to offload about £11m of player whilst bringing in about £2.5m is pretty praiseworthy IMHO.

By no means the finished article but definately, rapidly heading in the right direction. I don't see what the Adkins h8ers and season ticket refuseniks still have to moan about.

This is an absolute power post! Agree with this 100%

[genome]

It's interesting to note that the scorers in reverse order were Beavers Fuller Blackman Cox.

[Stranded]

It's interesting to note that the scorers in reverse order were Beavers Fuller Blackman Cox.

Was our winner disallowed then?

[genome]

I'm ignoring that because it ruins the joke.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

It's interesting to note that the scorers in reverse order were Beavers Fuller Blackman Cox.

[Norfolk Royal]

I thought Reading looked great with the ball but vulnerable without it. The injuries are still hurting us though, having to bring on three players with about 10 appearences between them to see a game out is far from ideal. When (if) we have the likes of Williams, Guthrie and McLeary back we will look pretty strong.

Our passing was as good as I've seen in years with no one looking uncomfortable receiving the ball to feet.

Plenty to like about the team at the moment, exciting football, decent passing, squad of what appear to be committed players, good team spirit, good work ethic and plenty of opportunity for youth. That Adkins has achieved all this whilst STILL not having an owner and having to offload about £11m of player whilst bringing in about £2.5m is pretty praiseworthy IMHO.

By no means the finished article but definately, rapidly heading in the right direction. I don't see what the Adkins h8ers and season ticket refuseniks still have to moan about.

They're still not pouring the beer quickly enough in the concourse bars?

[Snowball]

How exactly is Holloway a better manager?

Ian Holloway

Where are the statistics for 1996/97 where he took a struggling Bristol Rovers to 17th in the division?

Bristol Rovers

Holloway took over a club that was struggling both on and off the pitch. In his first season in charge of Rovers, he led the club to 17th place in Division Two (now League One).


Where are the statistics for 1997/98 where he took a previously struggling Bristol Rovers to the Division 2 playoffs?

The next season, however, Bristol Rovers gained fifth place and made the playoffs.
Despite taking a first-leg advantage of 3–1 against Northampton Town, Rovers subsequently lost 3–0 in the second leg and went out 4–3 on aggregate in the semi-finals.

Where are the statistics for 1998/99 where he led Bristol Rovers to a disappointing 13th place?

The 1998–99 season ended with a somewhat disappointing 13th place. Holloway retired as a player following that season, having played more than 400 matches for Bristol Rovers, to concentrate fully on management.


1999-0 League 1 - Bristol Rovers 17th - WRONG - finished 7th (disappointingly as they had been top at the beginning of April)

In 1999–2000, his last full season at the club, Rovers finished 7th, narrowly missing the playoffs.
Sorry for the typo


2000-1 League 1 - Bristol Rovers 5th (PO Semis) - WRONG - relieved of duties midway through the season, Rovers relegated come season's end, appointed QPR manager in February 01 but can't save them from relegation
2001-2 League 1 - QPR - Relegated - WRONG - midtable in Division 2
2002-3 League 2 - QPR - Mid-table - WRONG - playoff runners up to Cardiff City

Queens Park Rangers[edit]
In February 2001, midway through the 2000–01 season, Holloway was appointed manager of QPR, where he was given the task of keeping the team in Division One. He failed to do so, as QPR finished second from bottom and were relegated to the third level for the first time in 34 years. Despite the relegation, Holloway stayed on and rebuilt the side. After steadying the ship in 2001–02, and a near miss in 2002–03, Holloway and QPR were promoted back to the second level in 2004, finishing second behind Plymouth Argyle.

Holloway's first full season in The Championship ended with a respectable 11th place, and during the following season 2005–06, the club continued to hover around mid-table.

Holloway was suspended (sent on gardening leave) as manager by Queens Park Rangers on 6 February 2006. The reason given by the Q.P.R board was that the constant rumours linking Holloway to the vacant managerial position at Leicester City were causing too many problems for the club.[2] As it turned out, the Leicester job went to Rob Kelly, and QPR went on to finish 21st, just one place above the relegation positions.

If you're going to quote records and statistics as a basis for your argument Snowy, you kind of have to make sure the records and statistics you use are either correct, or indeed use the whole field available to you. I know for a fact, without even having to look it up, that the above statistics for Ian Holloway are wrong. I don't know how much this skews your statistics mate, it may not even make a difference to the general outcome, but for so long you've harped on about using statistics that represent the whole picture. Could at least practice what you preach fella...

I paraphrased Wikipedia, and no I didn't check the statements

[Ouroboros]

You may say I'm talking bullshit, but I counter: I read it on the internet and didn't bother to check

Now that's a strong rebuttal.

[WestRoyal]

We've seen time and time again that Gunter is a completely different player when McCleary is infront of him. There is chemistry between them that he doesn't have with any of the other wingers and Gunter seems to play with a lot more confidence and freedom.

Totally agree with this

[chilipepper91]

Think their first goal may have been a direct consequence of the first time Gunter was up against their left-back from a cross-field ball, he went to challenge but the left-back got there first, ran into the box and Feds saved his shot. Then for the goal, similar situation (the YouTube highlights just cut to their left-back already with the ball), but Gunter stood off instead, probably with that first one on his mind.

Not sure whether to pin much blame on Mackie as Gunter did look exposed a fair amount on that flank.

[Snowball]

You may say I'm talking bullshit, but I counter: I read it on the internet and didn't bother to check

Now that's a strong rebuttal.

Wasn't a rebuttal.

I held my hands up and basically said oops

[handbags_harris]

Which, tbf, is more than many a poster on here would do.

[Pepe the Horseman]

And then they kiss?

[tidus_mi2]

And then they kiss?

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

It's interesting to note that the scorers in reverse order were Beavers Fuller Blackman Cox.

That is pretty funny

[Royal Biscuitman]

We've seen time and time again that Gunter is a completely different player when McCleary is infront of him. There is chemistry between them that he doesn't have with any of the other wingers and Gunter seems to play with a lot more confidence and freedom.

Totally agree with this

There was chemistry between McClearly and Le Fondre at the other end too..... maybe McCleary can have chemistry with anyone he plays with?

[3points]

After their first goal I did see Mackie go over to talk to Adkins. He looked like he was saying it wasn't his fault. And then we seemed to switch to 3 up front with Mackie playing thorugh the middle for a few minutes