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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 18 Aug 2025 15:06

Gus the teenage cow It's simple, we have lost some very good players and the replacements have not been up to it.

It's early days but with one or two exceptions our recruitment looks haphazard, scatter-gunned and inadequate. There seems to be no over-arching plan as we desperately take whatever punt an agent puts in front of us.

We are not cohesive, we are simply trying to get deals done and hoping the player will fit in our team. There is no strategy. We just for what players are available rather than what players suit our existing squad or style of play.

In a word, we are a rabble. We probably don't have one defender who is better than average on the ball.


In a word, we are Wycombe. Now everything makes sense. This is indeed a spectacular window.

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Re: Hunt out.

by andrew1957 » 18 Aug 2025 16:52

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.

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Re: Hunt out.

by jd82 » 18 Aug 2025 16:57

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


I did watch Portsmouth, which makes the 3 games flanking it even worse.

What is our primary style of play, our Plan A to win games? Do we even have a Plan B?

We've been behind in every league game, and the only change made before the 65th minute was forced by Wings injury..

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Re: Hunt out.

by Esteban » 18 Aug 2025 17:20

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justifiaction for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


I've seen this a lot, but I think it's obvious what Noel wants to do. Probably a bit too obvious.

The rest of it I agree with.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 18 Aug 2025 17:21

I think people need to stop comparing the centre of defence to last season.

Last season we had a Championship CB pairing. We can't expect to sign a Championship CB pairing in L1.

Not to mention our first choice CB and marquee signing is yet to play a minute ot League football for us.


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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 18 Aug 2025 17:21

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justifiaction for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


I've seen this a lot, but I think it's obvious what Noel wants to do. Probably a bit too obvious.

The rest of it I agree with.

It's one of those nothing criticisms you get when you're on a losing streak.

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 18 Aug 2025 18:25

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?

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Re: Hunt out.

by Hound » 18 Aug 2025 18:35

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The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?


I’ve said similar in terms of the criticisms of our forwards. What goal are you expecting them to score? A header, one or one, pull back etc? I’ve no idea

The two Portsmouth goals were through balls of sorts that Kelvin ran onto. I haven’t seen a lot of us trying to get in behind in the league games. Maybe the defending has just been better than Portsmouths poor efforts

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by Snowflake Royal » 18 Aug 2025 18:54

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The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?

You could have asked exactly the same question of Selles.


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Re: Hunt out.

by andrew1957 » 18 Aug 2025 22:14

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The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justification for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?


I thought Selles was very slow to learn in 2023-24. He used the ridiculous 4-2-2-2 formation and stuck with it too long and fans were almost unanimously calling for his head after we led 2-0 at Shrewsbury before capitulating 2-3. Hunt on the other hand has had a much stronger start as manager. It was great that Selles learned from his errors and came good, but he was incredibly fortunate that he was not sacked. Fans have short memories.

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Re: Hunt out.

by jd82 » 19 Aug 2025 09:39

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Hound I reckon we had as many in our 18 from last season as most teams in this division tbh. He chose not to include Dorsett and Rushesha who played last year as well

Not discounting that Mbengue, Bindon and Knibbs were huge losses though

The worrying thing is just how disjointed we look coming forward. Individual mistakes is one thing but we need to work extremely hard now to get some creativity into our forward play. Hunt seems a little confused as to how he wants the team set up



The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justifiaction for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


I've seen this a lot, but I think it's obvious what Noel wants to do. Probably a bit too obvious.

The rest of it I agree with.


Ping 50 yard balls to strikers who can't hold the ball up? Play it around the back until we lose it?

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Re: Hunt out.

by Armadillo Roadkill » 19 Aug 2025 09:59

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The really worrying thing is after 4 games, there is zero idea what our team identity is. That and Hunt's seeming inability to adjust to the actual game, as opposed to what he expects to happen. Criminal that no subs were made before 60 odd minutes, and his justifiaction for not using Elliot is laughable.

We could easily sleepwalk into a real shitpit this season..


I've seen this a lot, but I think it's obvious what Noel wants to do. Probably a bit too obvious.

The rest of it I agree with.


Ping 50 yard balls to strikers who can't hold the ball up? Play it around the back until we lose it?



Launch attacks down both wings with no one in the middle to receive the ball?

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 19 Aug 2025 11:45

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You clearly did not watch the Portsmouth away game when the team played very cohesively and looked excellent. You will not get consistent performances for a while with so many new players to bed in. Hunt is in a similar position to Selles in 2023 (as I said above) and it took Selles 16 games (the season turned round after league game 17). I think if Hunt is given the chance he will get things right quicker than that.


Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?

You could have asked exactly the same question of Selles.


I think that trying to get up the pitch with Smith’s workrate and hold up play to provide a setup for midfield runners. Elliot carrying the ball forward to commit defenders and create space for Smith to exploit. Inverted forwards in Azeez and Kelvin who could cut inside to get a shot away. Long throws and set pieces that attempt to find Bindon, to get headers on target or knock downs that cleaners like Knibbs or Smith would tidy away. None of these are chaos on counter, but are things that I felt I saw and identified as an intent. The only thing I can see at the moment that is effective is Wing stepping on to balls on the edge of the box before you hear that familiar BaBoom sound, which is frequently followed by the sound of disturbed rigging and gasps.


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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 19 Aug 2025 12:11

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Hunt is not Seles. If he were, I wouldn’t be so concerned. Ask yourself this simple question. What sort of goal are we trying to score?

You could have asked exactly the same question of Selles.


I think that trying to get up the pitch with Smith’s workrate and hold up play to provide a setup for midfield runners. Elliot carrying the ball forward to commit defenders and create space for Smith to exploit. Inverted forwards in Azeez and Kelvin who could cut inside to get a shot away. Long throws and set pieces that attempt to find Bindon, to get headers on target or knock downs that cleaners like Knibbs or Smith would tidy away. None of these are chaos on counter, but are things that I felt I saw and identified as an intent. The only thing I can see at the moment that is effective is Wing stepping on to balls on the edge of the box before you hear that familiar BaBoom sound, which is frequently followed by the sound of disturbed rigging and gasps.

I think you're confusing failure to execute a plan well, with no plan.

What you've described is basically the same.as Hunt's approach. It's just O'Mahoney, Garcia, Fraser, Camara etc are less good than Smith, Knibbs/Elliott, Azeez/Campbell at it.

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Re: Hunt out.

by jd82 » 19 Aug 2025 12:52

Having a plan without the tools to carry out the plan is the same as not having a plan.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 19 Aug 2025 12:53

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Re: Hunt out.

by jd82 » 19 Aug 2025 12:57

another excellent contribution Ian.

What is the plan then?

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Re: Hunt out.

by Hound » 19 Aug 2025 13:34

Scanning the scores at the start of Selles reign, scoring wasn’t really ever the issue. And in cup games we were absolutely smashing them in

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