Division one things to forward to……..

[Royal_jimmy]

Something new.
Different teams.
The dismantling of the last remnants of the expensive failures in our squads.
Maybe a new owner.
Probably a new manager.
Being a bigger fish in a smaller pond without being the big club everyone wants to beat.
Outside chance of a local game for me and if not probably a local derby with Oxford.
Better prospect of winning games and finishing mid-table or above.
More game time from the Academy lads at an easier level for them to transition into the first team.

Everyone in league one will want to beat is. It's been 21 years since we played in that league

[Royal_jimmy]

Something new.
Different teams.
The dismantling of the last remnants of the expensive failures in our squads.
Maybe a new owner.
Probably a new manager.
Being a bigger fish in a smaller pond without being the big club everyone wants to beat.
Outside chance of a local game for me and if not probably a local derby with Oxford.
Better prospect of winning games and finishing mid-table or above.
More game time from the Academy lads at an easier level for them to transition into the first team.

Who would want to buy us? A total shambles.

Someone like Madejski but there's only 1 John Madejski

[Royal_jimmy]

Barely any players left due to contracts running out. Anyone we do have whomis worth anything will have to be sold.

The Academy is not producing anywhere near the same quality of player it has produced in previous years, and a lot of them will likely be out of contract themselves in the Summer anyway.

We have a Chief Scout, but no scouts in his department. To build that up you need to invest, and League 1 represents a significant drop in revenue which will make it harder for us to do that.

It's a long road back folks.

Yeah so May as well just embrace div1 as agree we may be there for whole. It isn’t the end of the world

Relegation not the end of the world but we aren't an important club so whatever happens the media won't care

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Barely any players left due to contracts running out. Anyone we do have whomis worth anything will have to be sold.

The Academy is not producing anywhere near the same quality of player it has produced in previous years, and a lot of them will likely be out of contract themselves in the Summer anyway.

We have a Chief Scout, but no scouts in his department. To build that up you need to invest, and League 1 represents a significant drop in revenue which will make it harder for us to do that.

It's a long road back folks.

Yeah so May as well just embrace div1 as agree we may be there for whole. It isn’t the end of the world

Relegation not the end of the world but we aren't an important club so whatever happens the media won't care

We just need some Hollywood actors to buy the club …….

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Well we haven't managed it with fewer needed this season.

Under restrictions where we are paying less than what a National League club can for players and less than likely many clubs in League One as well, not just the one's going for promotion either, I mean clubs that are sat going nowhere in League One.

Unshackle us from those and we'd stand a far better chance of building an ok Championship side that would survive rather than a promotion-contending League One side. The latter is not impossible, but far more difficult than the former.

We aren’t unshackled, we still have to stick to a budget.

There's no way it's easier to bring in more Championship players than L1 players even with a slightly larger budget.

But not to the same extreme as this season and even last season, every club operates under a budget ultimately.

I'd say it's easier to bring in a squad capable of surviving relegation at least from the Championship than what it is building a side that can win promotion from League One, in one season anyway.

[Snowflake Royal]

Under restrictions where we are paying less than what a National League club can for players and less than likely many clubs in League One as well, not just the one's going for promotion either, I mean clubs that are sat going nowhere in League One.

Unshackle us from those and we'd stand a far better chance of building an ok Championship side that would survive rather than a promotion-contending League One side. The latter is not impossible, but far more difficult than the former.

We aren’t unshackled, we still have to stick to a budget.

There's no way it's easier to bring in more Championship players than L1 players even with a slightly larger budget.

But not to the same extreme as this season and even last season, every club operates under a budget ultimately.

I'd say it's easier to bring in a squad capable of surviving relegation at least from the Championship than what it is building a side that can win promotion from League One, in one season anyway.

The budgets were to prevent us going over FFP. Our income hasn't gone up, we haven't made a profit this season. Our wage budget was still about equal or higher than our entire income. Therefore we can't increase our spending. What we have is more leeway in how we spend within that limit.

Promotion doesn't have to come in one season though that would be ideal. We have almost no Championship quality players left on contract. So we need virtually an entire Championship squad to survive again. We need about half a L1 squad to finish comfortably.

Not to mention it doesn't matter how easy it is to put together a Championship team compared to a L1 side, because we're pretty much a L1 side at this point. So its academic.

[Hound]

If we stay up, I genuinely only think Ince and Carroll (and maybe Holmes) are really champ level. Yiadom and Azeez maybe hold their own if the other players in the side are better than what we have now

So to really compete we need a whole new team anyway

[YorkshireRoyal99]

We aren’t unshackled, we still have to stick to a budget.

There's no way it's easier to bring in more Championship players than L1 players even with a slightly larger budget.

But not to the same extreme as this season and even last season, every club operates under a budget ultimately.

I'd say it's easier to bring in a squad capable of surviving relegation at least from the Championship than what it is building a side that can win promotion from League One, in one season anyway.

The budgets were to prevent us going over FFP. Our income hasn't gone up, we haven't made a profit this season. Our wage budget was still about equal or higher than our entire income. Therefore we can't increase our spending. What we have is more leeway in how we spend within that limit.

Promotion doesn't have to come in one season though that would be ideal. We have almost no Championship quality players left on contract. So we need virtually an entire Championship squad to survive again. We need about half a L1 squad to finish comfortably.

Not to mention it doesn't matter how easy it is to put together a Championship team compared to a L1 side, because we're pretty much a L1 side at this point. So its academic.

That leeway in how we spend is exactly what makes it easier though and far less of a restriction. That's the reason as to why we can compete with other clubs at our level or at a certain level, rather than being restricted to pay wages that are bettered by some clubs currently a division or two (or three) below us.

Ultimately, I'd rather rebuild in a higher division, rather than a division below.

[Snowflake Royal]

But not to the same extreme as this season and even last season, every club operates under a budget ultimately.

I'd say it's easier to bring in a squad capable of surviving relegation at least from the Championship than what it is building a side that can win promotion from League One, in one season anyway.

The budgets were to prevent us going over FFP. Our income hasn't gone up, we haven't made a profit this season. Our wage budget was still about equal or higher than our entire income. Therefore we can't increase our spending. What we have is more leeway in how we spend within that limit.

Promotion doesn't have to come in one season though that would be ideal. We have almost no Championship quality players left on contract. So we need virtually an entire Championship squad to survive again. We need about half a L1 squad to finish comfortably.

Not to mention it doesn't matter how easy it is to put together a Championship team compared to a L1 side, because we're pretty much a L1 side at this point. So its academic.

That leeway in how we spend is exactly what makes it easier though and far less of a restriction. That's the reason as to why we can compete with other clubs at our level or at a certain level, rather than being restricted to pay wages that are bettered by some clubs currently a division or two (or three) below us.

Ultimately, I'd rather rebuild in a higher division, rather than a division below.

You maths doesn’t add up.

[Jerry St Clair]

I've watched a lot of League One football at Cheltenham this year. There are essentially three leagues within the league.

You have grand old clubs fallen on hard times but with relatively deep pockets like Ipswich, Derby, Bolton, Sheff Weds, Portsmouth who can financially outgun the rest, Barry Bannan earns more in a month than Cheltenham's highest paid player, Alfie May, does a year. Ipswich have a playing budget of £16m. Cheltenham's is less than £2m.

Then you have the middling clubs for whom League One is their historical home and don't quite have the same financial muscle: Bristol Rovers, Oxford, Port Vale, Exeter, Peterborough. Shrewsbury.

Finally, there's the small clubs who've risen and are punching above their weight and can't financially compete with any of the above: Cheltenham, Morecambe, Burton, Cambridge, Accrington. Though a few of those are going down.

It's a weird, topsy-turvy league nothing like the one it was when I watched Branfoot, McGhee's and Pardew's teams in it. There'll be some games that feel like big occasions, then you'll find yourself on the Fylde coast in front of 2500.

There's only one guarantee: Cheltenham is a cracking away day.

[tidus_mi2]

And we might actually get a League game against a rival, but Oxford are in real relegation trouble, so it's looking like they'll either play us or Swindon next season.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

The budgets were to prevent us going over FFP. Our income hasn't gone up, we haven't made a profit this season. Our wage budget was still about equal or higher than our entire income. Therefore we can't increase our spending. What we have is more leeway in how we spend within that limit.

Promotion doesn't have to come in one season though that would be ideal. We have almost no Championship quality players left on contract. So we need virtually an entire Championship squad to survive again. We need about half a L1 squad to finish comfortably.

Not to mention it doesn't matter how easy it is to put together a Championship team compared to a L1 side, because we're pretty much a L1 side at this point. So its academic.

That leeway in how we spend is exactly what makes it easier though and far less of a restriction. That's the reason as to why we can compete with other clubs at our level or at a certain level, rather than being restricted to pay wages that are bettered by some clubs currently a division or two (or three) below us.

Ultimately, I'd rather rebuild in a higher division, rather than a division below.

You maths doesn’t add up.

Wrexham have multiple players earning more than/similar to a fair few of our senior squad members, such as Ince, Holmes, McIntyre, Sarr, Yiadom, Carroll, Hoilett, Dann, Long etc. Sources as below. (That's also 2022 Wrexham, not even this years).

Not to mention those wages of some of our players that, if reasonably accurate, are what you'd be expecting average League One clubs to be paying, or wealthy/promotion challenging League Two clubs.

Obviously our wage bill there includes the loanees and still some of the overpaid players we've got from before like Moore and Ejaria.

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-be ... per%20week

https://salarysport.com/football/vanara ... per%20week.

[elrey]

Yeah so May as well just embrace div1 as agree we may be there for whole. It isn’t the end of the world

Relegation not the end of the world but we aren't an important club so whatever happens the media won't care

We just need some Hollywood actors to buy the club …….

The reasons why they bought Wrexham would mean they'd never consider Reading, the fan base is just one step away from supporting a top London club, we're not a passionate club, like Augsburg (where I lived for a year) close to Munich, it's all Munich supporters who can't get tickets for Bayern, so they go watch Augsburg with their amazing chant of "Auuuuuuuuggsssss-boooooooooooorg, Auuuuuuuuggsssss-boooooooooooorg," as if they've just woken up from a night on the piss and have turned into a zombie.

[Snowflake Royal]

That leeway in how we spend is exactly what makes it easier though and far less of a restriction. That's the reason as to why we can compete with other clubs at our level or at a certain level, rather than being restricted to pay wages that are bettered by some clubs currently a division or two (or three) below us.

Ultimately, I'd rather rebuild in a higher division, rather than a division below.

You maths doesn’t add up.

Wrexham have multiple players earning more than/similar to a fair few of our senior squad members, such as Ince, Holmes, McIntyre, Sarr, Yiadom, Carroll, Hoilett, Dann, Long etc. Sources as below. (That's also 2022 Wrexham, not even this years).

Not to mention those wages of some of our players that, if reasonably accurate, are what you'd be expecting average League One clubs to be paying, or wealthy/promotion challenging League Two clubs.

Obviously our wage bill there includes the loanees and still some of the overpaid players we've got from before like Moore and Ejaria.

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-be ... per%20week

https://salarysport.com/football/vanara ... per%20week.

Great. Wrexham have the squareroot of oxf*rd all todo with anything

[YorkshireRoyal99]

You maths doesn’t add up.

Wrexham have multiple players earning more than/similar to a fair few of our senior squad members, such as Ince, Holmes, McIntyre, Sarr, Yiadom, Carroll, Hoilett, Dann, Long etc. Sources as below. (That's also 2022 Wrexham, not even this years).

Not to mention those wages of some of our players that, if reasonably accurate, are what you'd be expecting average League One clubs to be paying, or wealthy/promotion challenging League Two clubs.

Obviously our wage bill there includes the loanees and still some of the overpaid players we've got from before like Moore and Ejaria.

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-be ... per%20week

https://salarysport.com/football/vanara ... per%20week.

Great. Wrexham have the squareroot of oxf*rd all todo with anything

The point was, we won't be restricted to paying wages that wealthy National League clubs are paying/bettering. We'd actually be able to double, triple or possibly even quadruple what we've offered to compete with Championship clubs next season, if we stay there.

[Snowflake Royal]

Wrexham have multiple players earning more than/similar to a fair few of our senior squad members, such as Ince, Holmes, McIntyre, Sarr, Yiadom, Carroll, Hoilett, Dann, Long etc. Sources as below. (That's also 2022 Wrexham, not even this years).

Not to mention those wages of some of our players that, if reasonably accurate, are what you'd be expecting average League One clubs to be paying, or wealthy/promotion challenging League Two clubs.

Obviously our wage bill there includes the loanees and still some of the overpaid players we've got from before like Moore and Ejaria.

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-be ... per%20week

https://salarysport.com/football/vanara ... per%20week.

Great. Wrexham have the squareroot of oxf*rd all todo with anything

The point was, we won't be restricted to paying wages that wealthy National League clubs are paying/bettering. We'd actually be able to double, triple or possibly even quadruple what we've offered to compete with Championship clubs next season, if we stay there.

Absolute horseshit.

[Stranded]

Wrexham have multiple players earning more than/similar to a fair few of our senior squad members, such as Ince, Holmes, McIntyre, Sarr, Yiadom, Carroll, Hoilett, Dann, Long etc. Sources as below. (That's also 2022 Wrexham, not even this years).

Not to mention those wages of some of our players that, if reasonably accurate, are what you'd be expecting average League One clubs to be paying, or wealthy/promotion challenging League Two clubs.

Obviously our wage bill there includes the loanees and still some of the overpaid players we've got from before like Moore and Ejaria.

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-be ... per%20week

https://salarysport.com/football/vanara ... per%20week.

Great. Wrexham have the squareroot of oxf*rd all todo with anything

The point was, we won't be restricted to paying wages that wealthy National League clubs are paying/bettering. We'd actually be able to double, triple or possibly even quadruple what we've offered to compete with Championship clubs next season, if we stay there.

Given we will have to agree a budget with the EFL next year to ensure we stay in line with FFP, if we stay up - I very much doubt we will be offering mega bucks next year. If there is a specific individual who is considered key to survival we may well be able to offer substantially more than today but we shouldn't and I hope won't suddenly revert to type and throw money at the problem - else we will be back to the exact same place we are now in 2 or 3 years time but more in debt and likely looking at bigger points deductions.

[South Coast Royal]

If we stay up, I genuinely only think Ince and Carroll (and maybe Holmes) are really champ level. Yiadom and Azeez maybe hold their own if the other players in the side are better than what we have now

So to really compete we need a whole new team anyway

Have been saying this all season when so many seemed to think that the players were, as some posted, "easily good enough" and it was all down to the manager that we haven't done very well.

Good to hear somebody else express a sensible assessment as even with no points deduction we would still be very close to the relegation places.

[The Royal Forester]

Relegation=lower iincome=lower expeniture allowed by the EFL=bigger loans needed=more debt=points deduction=relegation=lower income and repeat. Simples.

[Orion1871]

Great. Wrexham have the squareroot of oxf*rd all todo with anything

The point was, we won't be restricted to paying wages that wealthy National League clubs are paying/bettering. We'd actually be able to double, triple or possibly even quadruple what we've offered to compete with Championship clubs next season, if we stay there.

Absolute horseshit.

How to win friends and influence people by Ian Royal.