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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by paultheroyal » 19 Dec 2015 20:50

quickwingerswife Yeah, good point, but he had some good players in the youth set up who were farmed out. If you remember, the ball never got carried or passed much in the middle third. The tactics became so raw I just got fed up and bored I stopped going. Oliver Norwood has been the only star this season, I'm sure his time will be up.


What good young players were farmed out who could of done this role?

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Huckleberry Hound » 19 Dec 2015 23:12

[/quote]And wasn't Matt Mills just following the manager's instructions when he kept pinging those long balls that led to 'MillsGate' ?[/quote]

Armadillo Roadkill Yes he was. And that manager was Brendan Rodgers.


We won that game (from a penalty won following one of Mills's long balls). No way was Bodgers the manager.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by SCIAG » 19 Dec 2015 23:16

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quickwingerswife When McDermott was here before he used the long ball a lot and the team was crying out for a ball playing midfielder.


We had Matejovsky. 8)

Trouble was he was on a different wave length to the rest of the team. Nor did he contribute enough to the team. Too lightweight for English football in the lower leagues.

McD used that the players that were available effectively. Hopefully he will do the same this time. .

The problem with Matejovsky was that he wasn't as good as Gylfi, so we sold him. Then we sold Gylfi too.
The other major problem he had was with injuries, he missed the start of both his seasons here.
He was no Carrico, but he was also no Cywka.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Dec 2015 23:24

Thought we did this Matejovski thing eons ago....but

Totally clueless Reading player, totally out of our league, a luxury that we tried to carry for a while....after that initial flash of excitement...he ended up passing all of our procession away.......eventually seen for what he was and dropped in favour for the programe seller.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Ian Royal » 20 Dec 2015 00:10

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quickwingerswife When McDermott was here before he used the long ball a lot and the team was crying out for a ball playing midfielder.


We had Matejovsky. 8)

Trouble was he was on a different wave length to the rest of the team. Nor did he contribute enough to the team. Too lightweight for English football in the lower leagues.

McD used that the players that were available effectively. Hopefully he will do the same this time. .

The problem with Matejovsky was that he wasn't as good as Gylfi, so we sold him. Then we sold Gylfi too.
The other major problem he had was with injuries, he missed the start of both his seasons here.
He was no Carrico, but he was also no Cywka.

The problem with Matejovsky was he was too sluggish. He couldn't hack the pace and he couldn't do his defensive duties because he was always half a yard too slow in the tackle as well.


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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by AthleticoSpizz » 20 Dec 2015 00:22

And while we're on the diss

A lot of his passes were shite (aka known as "too intelligent" for his team mates)

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by melonhead » 20 Dec 2015 01:41

quickwingerswife I coached as well. If you remember I offered to cure Alex Pearce of his flat footed running. Nobody took me seriously then but wonder what's keeping him out of the Derby side??

Is it his flat footed running?

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Kitsondinho » 20 Dec 2015 08:44

AthleticoSpizz Thought we did this Matejovski thing eons ago....but

Totally clueless Reading player, totally out of our league, a luxury that we tried to carry for a while....after that initial flash of excitement...he ended up passing all of our procession away.......eventually seen for what he was and dropped in favour for the programe seller.

Take that back! No one can criticise Marek the Mighty.... :wink:

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Moonfish » 20 Dec 2015 09:09

Not only is Ollie the best passer in our side, he's also the best reader of an opposition pass, and is incredibly effective at intercepting the ball.

As such, he may not be the biggest in the tackle (hello Mrs Norwood), but I can certainly see where he would 'slot into' a two man midfield.


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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by sandman » 20 Dec 2015 09:28

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As to the op, I think that Brian has shown in his previous time at Reading that he can be tactically flexible, and favours not long ball football but simply a style that gets the best out of the collective group. People are saying Guthrie is proof that he can't play passing football, but I'd say Guthrie was sacrificed under this philosophy due to the lack of overall ability in the squad.The squad we have now is I think the strongest Brian will ever have managed at Reading, and thus I hope we'll see football which reflects that. Norwood is a key component of what we do now and has been one of our players of the season. I can't see Brian ignoring that, at least I certainly hope not anyway.


Thank you for this post!

This is exactly how I remembered things. And each time one of our better players were sold suitable replacements were not provided because of cost resulting in Brian having no choice but to play the style that he is so derided for around here...and still managed to get us promoted.

And once promoted one of his first moves was to get an Ollie Norwood type of player for the midfield. Unfortunately that player turned out to be a lobster thermadore chucking pcunt of a mistake. Norwood is exactly the type of player Brian wants. If anyone suffers from Brian's return it will be Danny Williams, once Tish and Quinn are deemed fit to play.


Some people have been saying this for years it's just that now people are starting to listen after belligerently denying it.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by 3points » 20 Dec 2015 11:26

sandman Norwood is exactly the type of player Brian wants. If anyone suffers from Brian's return it will be Danny Williams, once Tish and Quinn are deemed fit to play.

Agree with this. Norwood looks much more effective (and more dangerous) slightly further up the pitch rather than picking the ball up 10 yards from his own penalty box. Hopefully he'll be finding Vydra's runs this afternoon rather than having to pass to Gunter or Taylor

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by leon » 21 Dec 2015 00:33

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sandman Norwood is exactly the type of player Brian wants. If anyone suffers from Brian's return it will be Danny Williams, once Tish and Quinn are deemed fit to play.

Agree with this. Norwood looks much more effective (and more dangerous) slightly further up the pitch rather than picking the ball up 10 yards from his own penalty box. Hopefully he'll be finding Vydra's runs this afternoon rather than having to pass to Gunter or Taylor


I've been critical of him in the past because of his decision making but Williams had a great game today. He showed exactly what he's good at. He closed down quickly, tackled and on the ball got forward quickly. Plus he scored an absolute cracker of a goal.

He's got to learn to release the ball sooner/at the right time but on that form Brian will struggle to justify dropping him - his industry alone warrants a starting place.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by ayjaydee » 21 Dec 2015 08:33

Not feeling the total love fest for Williams, sure he had a better game today and scored a belter but still acouple oF head down runs not seeing the passes in front of him.

I think a fit Tish keeps the momentum up better than Williams so for me a Norwood/Tish combo works best.


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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Royal With Cheese » 21 Dec 2015 11:09

quickwingerswife Jonathan Bond is such a nice bloke, and he's another one who will suffer under McDermott cos he can't punt it 200 yards.

If he could punt it 200 yards you'd have to pick the ball up form the B&Q car park.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by CountryRoyal » 21 Dec 2015 11:11

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quickwingerswife Jonathan Bond is such a nice bloke, and he's another one who will suffer under McDermott cos he can't punt it 200 yards.

If he could punt it 200 yards you'd have to pick the ball up form the B&Q car park.


Well not her personally, she wouldn't be able to bend down with her bad knees and extended muffin top.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Forbury Lion » 21 Dec 2015 12:21

Royalwaster On the other hand Norwood has played every game this season and even though he's played pretty well, like the rest of the team he's not been amazing .... so if a different combination works better, maybe this is the end of him.
+1 The team is greater than the individuals.

I believe, as was stated elsewhere, That Brian picks a formation to suit the players at his disposal but also to get the best results. Being a great passer of the ball is a great if the rest of the team get into good positions to receive the ball and capitalise on it, However if they do not and more importantly if we are leaking goals it might be better all round to have two defensive holding players in the center of the field.

I personally hope Norwood has a future at the club but it may be that he gets benched until the we become stronger at the back and more threatening up front..... January transfer window?

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by SCIAG » 21 Dec 2015 13:09

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Royalwaster On the other hand Norwood has played every game this season and even though he's played pretty well, like the rest of the team he's not been amazing .... so if a different combination works better, maybe this is the end of him.
+1 The team is greater than the individuals.

I believe, as was stated elsewhere, That Brian picks a formation to suit the players at his disposal but also to get the best results. Being a great passer of the ball is a great if the rest of the team get into good positions to receive the ball and capitalise on it, However if they do not and more importantly if we are leaking goals it might be better all round to have two defensive holding players in the center of the field.

I personally hope Norwood has a future at the club but it may be that he gets benched until the we become stronger at the back and more threatening up front..... January transfer window?

Norwood is better at winning the ball than any other senior midfielder at the club. He wins the ball back 5.9 times a match, Quinn 5.2, Tshibola 3.8, Williams 3.2, Piazon 2.3, and Fernandez 1.8.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Royal Ginger » 21 Dec 2015 13:29

Norwood is also crucially a leader out there in a team where they're in short supply. I'd rather have seen him be number 2 for the armband than Hector.

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Coppelled_Streets » 21 Dec 2015 14:15

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sandman Norwood is exactly the type of player Brian wants. If anyone suffers from Brian's return it will be Danny Williams, once Tish and Quinn are deemed fit to play.

Agree with this. Norwood looks much more effective (and more dangerous) slightly further up the pitch rather than picking the ball up 10 yards from his own penalty box. Hopefully he'll be finding Vydra's runs this afternoon rather than having to pass to Gunter or Taylor


I've been critical of him in the past because of his decision making but Williams had a great game today. He showed exactly what he's good at. He closed down quickly, tackled and on the ball got forward quickly. Plus he scored an absolute cracker of a goal.


Agreed, but he is one of those, and possibly the biggest, ego that has got to either change, or go! He's always grumbling at his team-mates, or passing blame. If we're going to get out of this league then he and the others need a togetherness that isn't even remotely close at the moment! I can't see that without several in's and out's over the next two transfer window. Personally I rate Williams, but I can't stand sulky little girls like him that throw their arms in the air when things start going wrong!

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Re: Is this the end for Oliver Norwood?

by Forbury Lion » 21 Dec 2015 14:51

blueroyals The moderators have clearly given up on "off topic posts will be removed"

It's okay, I've changed the title of the topic

Seriously though, moderators don't read everything posted on here - there is a button to press if you wish to flag something for moderation but either nobody wants to be a grass or nobody is offended.

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