by multisync1830 » 18 May 2014 21:37
by Uke » 19 May 2014 00:06
winchester_royal IIRC Bolton are >£120m in debt.
by Uke » 19 May 2014 00:12
by kwik-silva » 19 May 2014 20:57
multisync1830 credit safe report sorry it's munged
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 21:52
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 22:20
MmmMonsterMunch
So that ties in with us borrowing against the parachute money then.....
I wonder if the net worth calculation includes parachute money we are yet to receive? I can't really tell from that. If it does, then it would appear we are indeed pretty fcuked.
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 22:25
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 22:48
winchester_royalMmmMonsterMunch
So that ties in with us borrowing against the parachute money then.....
I wonder if the net worth calculation includes parachute money we are yet to receive? I can't really tell from that. If it does, then it would appear we are indeed pretty fcuked.
It doesn't. If it was to be included anywhere it would be in the 'asset' coloumn, and it clearly isn't included in there as it only shows around £3m.
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 22:51
winchester_royal Interesting how we've only valued our assets (players) at 3.5m. Oddly conservative, when you consider we valued our 2009 squad at over £12m.
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 22:58
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 23:03
MmmMonsterMunchwinchester_royal Interesting how we've only valued our assets (players) at 3.5m. Oddly conservative, when you consider we valued our 2009 squad at over £12m.
Current assets less cash is actually less than that: £2.7m
Not sure the players would even be shown as current assets from an accounting point of view anyway. I suspect the remaining £2.7m is actually debtors.
The cost of players’ registrations, including agents’ fees, is capitalised
and amortised over the period of the respective players’ contracts in
accordance with Financial Reporting Standard 10 ‘Accounting for goodwill
and intangible assets’. The transfer fee levy refund received during the
year is credited against additions to intangible assets.
When a playing contract is extended, any costs associated with securing
the extensions are added to the unamortised balance (at the date of
the amendment) and the revised book value is amortised over the
remaining revised contract period.
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 23:08
winchester_royal Vibrac loans are secured against future parachute money. Presumably we needed to go down that route because we didn't have the cash to cover the necessary summer spending and therefore brought the cash flow forward (no doubt at a fair premium), personally I don't see the issue with it, and it's not that easy for Anton to take money out the club without it being included in the accounts so personally I think that's just scaremongering. We're in the position we are because we accumulated a massive wage bill to facilit8 AZ's glamour signings and just don't have the income stream to match, hence the debt. Don't think there's anything more sinister in it than that.
Don't forget we were making 6/7m pound losses a season in the championship before AZ came along on a far tighter budget than we're on now. No surprise to see that we're struggling to make the figures add up.
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 23:11
MmmMonsterMunchwinchester_royal Vibrac loans are secured against future parachute money. Presumably we needed to go down that route because we didn't have the cash to cover the necessary summer spending and therefore brought the cash flow forward (no doubt at a fair premium), personally I don't see the issue with it, and it's not that easy for Anton to take money out the club without it being included in the accounts so personally I think that's just scaremongering. We're in the position we are because we accumulated a massive wage bill to facilit8 AZ's glamour signings and just don't have the income stream to match, hence the debt. Don't think there's anything more sinister in it than that.
Don't forget we were making 6/7m pound losses a season in the championship before AZ came along on a far tighter budget than we're on now. No surprise to see that we're struggling to make the figures add up.
Hmmm..necessary summer spending? Didn't amount to much did it?!
by loyalroyaldaz » 21 May 2014 23:13
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 23:21
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 23:22
loyalroyaldaz It doesnt show there because those accounts are upto the end of June last year.
The Mortgage that was taken out last August as i was told was for the outstanding parachute payments amounting to £36M.
The creditcheck site shows it as a Mortgage and not a loan so make of that what you will.
Does anybody honestly think we wouldnt have spent a penny on January transfers, Baird, Sharp etc if we had that £36M sitting in the bank?!
So you ask "where is it"?
You decide
by loyalroyaldaz » 21 May 2014 23:33
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 23:37
MmmMonsterMunchloyalroyaldaz It doesnt show there because those accounts are upto the end of June last year.
The Mortgage that was taken out last August as i was told was for the outstanding parachute payments amounting to £36M.
The creditcheck site shows it as a Mortgage and not a loan so make of that what you will.
Does anybody honestly think we wouldnt have spent a penny on January transfers, Baird, Sharp etc if we had that £36M sitting in the bank?!
So you ask "where is it"?
You decide
There isn't anything to decide. That chart clearly points to a massive long term loan being taken out. The net worth has nosedived whilst the liquidity of the club remains relatively stable (CA-CL), ergo a long term liability has been taken out.
Edit - Sorry not making myself clear there. Not sure we'd take out a huge loan to cover the normal operating losses TBH Winch.
by winchester_royal » 21 May 2014 23:43
loyalroyaldaz Of course we could of. Parachute payment was £48M over four years so maybe we had £12m of it at the beggining pf last season?
Multisync seems clued up on this stuff what is his view?
I know mine and you believe i am talking shit but can offer no explanation as to what this mortgage is !
by MmmMonsterMunch » 21 May 2014 23:44
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