Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[Mr Angry]

The Annan Athletic Chairman was equally as bullish before the meeting, stating that Annan had to go through a process to get accepted by the 3rd Division, and so should Newco Rangers.

The following other SFL sides have made clear their opposition to having Newco Rangers parachuted into the 1st Division; Falkirk, Morton, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Clyde and Peterhead. The Elgin Chairman seemed pretty negative as well, saying that the views of fans had to be considered (code for being against the proposition).

And those are the ones who have gone public with their opposition; no-one yet has publically supported the plan.

[weybridgewanderer]

If the SFL say no to a "fasttrack" entry into Div 1, then the SPL chairmen might have to rethink their stance as there will be a £16M hole in Scottish Football's finances.

Despite the speculation on this thread of the increased money all these clubs would get without Rangers, Hibs have not renewed their assistant managers contract, Dundee Utd are not in a position to renegotiate their managers contract, and a number of chairmen have told their managers that there is no money to buy new players including Dundee Utd and St Mirren. Motherwell have warned that they could go back into administration.

As a Rangers fan I would prefer we begin again in Div 3.

[Wax Jacket]

If the SFL say no to a "fasttrack" entry into Div 1, then the SPL chairmen might have to rethink their stance as there will be a £16M hole in Scottish Football's finances.... Motherwell have warned that they could go back into administration.

I read somewhere that Well thought it was a risk worth taking so as not to alienate their fanbase by backing Rangers

[weybridgewanderer]

I'd love to see where you saw that.

Seems at odd with

"Motherwell say they could face administration if they cannot "replace significant amounts of income" once the status of the Rangers newco is decided.

Scottish Premier League clubs will vote on whether Charles Green's newco should replace the old Rangers in the league.

The Fir Park club expect to lose money regardless of the outcome of the vote.

"The club could be facing an insolvency event," fans were told as they were asked to decide how Motherwell should vote on the newco issue on 4 July. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18564685

In another article

"Motherwell balloted their fans on how the club should vote on Charles Green's application for the Rangers newco to replace the old club in the SPL.

A result has not yet been announced ..... "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18683703

[Wax Jacket]

If the SFL say no to a "fasttrack" entry into Div 1, then the SPL chairmen might have to rethink their stance as there will be a £16M hole in Scottish Football's finances.... Motherwell have warned that they could go back into administration.

I read somewhere that Well thought it was a risk worth taking so as not to alienate their fanbase by backing Rangers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... eason.html

"Motherwell are expected to confirm today that supporters in their fans ownership scheme rejected the idea of relaunching Rangers in the SPL.

An announcement was expected yesterday but was delayed amid the unexpected development of Derek Weir stepping down as vice-chairman of the club and one of the six SPL board members.

Motherwell had warned of a potential £900,000 loss of income if newco Rangers were not accepted but also stated administration would be a possibility whatever the outcome given the prospect of alienating loyal fans."

[weybridgewanderer]

on their website now ...

The Board of Motherwell FC asked members of the ‘Well Society and shareholders to vote on the question of whether Motherwell should vote to allow a ‘Newco Rangers’ to remain in the SPL in 2012/13 season.

The results of the ballots returned were are as follows:

Yes: 119 (18%)
No: 542 (82%)

Votes not returned: 247

[weybridgewanderer]

we can look forward to them joining us in Div 3 in a coupl eof seasons!!

They said they'd canvas their fans not be hamstrung by what the fans voted.

However, Weir's resignation yesterday suggest to me that they will vote in accordance with the fans wishes - and against Weir's advice. Weir knows where this is leading.

[Wax Jacket]

seems the fans are to happy to let it if it means they have more of a say in the destiny of their club and ultimately football in the country. that's a bunch of fans with some perspective I'd say.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

If the SFL say no to a "fasttrack" entry into Div 1, then the SPL chairmen might have to rethink their stance as there will be a £16M hole in Scottish Football's finances..

There'd be a hole of up to £16m, much of which is money that would have gone straight to Rangers anyway.

They appear to be basing that on the assumption that if Rangers aren't there in 2013/14, all tv deals will be cancelled and not replaced. That seems a tad unlikely.

[weybridgewanderer]

squeaky bum time

BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate.

[weybridgewanderer]

Rangers Fans FIghting Fund Statement issued 03/07/2012 -

OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the club's future would rather they played in SFL Division Three next season than accept a compromise deal for a place in the SPL.
In a survey conducted by the Rangers Fans' Fighting Fund from the email database of the club's season ticket holders, the Rangers fans were asked three questions:
(1) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division One next season - with sanctions? 3%
(2) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division One next season if there are no sanctions? Just over 20%
or (3) Should Rangers drop into and play from SFL Division Three next season? Just Under 76%

"Every other club and their fan base seems to have had an opinion of what should happen to Rangers," said a spokesperson for the RFFF. "That's why we wanted Rangers fans to voice their opinion - and they have done so. We said we would publish the findings - and that's what we are doing. It shows the depth of feeling among our fans who have shown that they don't want any favours from the rest of the clubs - or any preferential treatment. What these Rangers fans are saying is:- If that is what is to happen to us, then let it happen and let us move on. We will support Rangers - no matter where they are playing."

[Wax Jacket]

that makes good reading tbf. it seems so many fans value the integrity of the league and football in the country that they're all willing to sacrifice current status for it. would be a crying shame if the authorities fudge it and find a way back in for Rangers under the pretext of the league's financial health

[Stuka]

Rangers Fans FIghting Fund Statement issued 03/07/2012 -

OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the club's future would rather they played in SFL Division Three next season than accept a compromise deal for a place in the SPL.

I'd say the same. Rangers need some time to get themselves sorted and this is the best solution. Meanwhile their rivals in the SPL get their wallets bashed by the myriad of lost business.

[weybridgewanderer]

Miriad of lost wealth?

We had pages on this thread saying these teams would all have increased revenues as they would get a higher percentage of a small amount of money, and the fans would flock to their grounds in droves as the league would be more competitive for 2nd place.

[cmonurz]

Miriad of lost wealth?

We had pages on this thread saying these teams would all have increased revenues as they would get a higher percentage of a small amount of money, and the fans would flock to their grounds in droves as the league would be more competitive for 2nd place.

You know what? The fans and many of the clubs have it exactly right. Rangers can go fcuk themselves. Arrogant dismissal of their fellow clubs and the importance of proper financial management on the basis that their brand is too big to be lost to Scottish football. Fcuk off. The club genuinely believes that are beyond reproach.

As highlighted by Motherwell, many clubs are facing financial struggles anyway, irrespective of any potential losses should Rangers cease to be. Good on the fans and clubs for coming out against Rangers continuing to trade at the top table. Footballing principle has to come first at some point.

[weybridgewanderer]

Commurz, I am not sure who you are having a dig at.

I, like most Rangers fans, have always said we should start in Div 3 rather than some compromise of years of points deduction to keep us in the SPL

[TFF]

It's pretty clear.

He's having a dig at Rangers FC (The club/board/management/organisation/whatever) while praising the apparent desire of their fans, you included it would seem, for Rangers to take their punishment and fight their way back up the leagues honestly.

[weybridgewanderer]

its not just rangers board etc that want rangers in the SPL

If the other chairmen don't want us too, vote us out today, why wait till after the SFL have decided if we get into Div 1 or not before they make a decision.

The SPL sent the "bullying" document to the SFL to accept Rangers in Div 1, not Rangers.

[Royal Rother]

Anyway, where IS FiNe RaIn these days?

[Pepe the Horseman]

Down the gym probably.