Griffin

[handbags_harris]

Well it's just a catalogue of critical errors isn't it?

Individual blame for Zurab for the first - a rash challenge the penalty.
Collective blame for the second - Zurab getting spun too easily and Griffin putting himself completely out of position.
Individual blame for the third - Zurab's lazy clearance.
Collective blame for the fourth - Mills's poor pass out and Griffin's rash challenge for the penalty.

For the whole defeat there's no individual blame as each defender played woefully, but for each goal there can be singled out wholly preventable errors that I would be pretty p*ssed off at making on a football pitch.

[Big Foot]

Add to that Kebe's insane Attempt to chip the ball beyond a Swansea player in his own half which gave them possession in the run up to 1st goal

[PEARCEY]

Well it's just a catalogue of critical errors isn't it?

Individual blame for Zurab for the first - a rash challenge the penalty.
Collective blame for the second - Zurab getting spun too easily and Griffin putting himself completely out of position.
Individual blame for the third - Zurab's lazy clearance.
Collective blame for the fourth - Mills's poor pass out and Griffin's rash challenge for the penalty.

For the whole defeat there's no individual blame as each defender played woefully, but for each goal there can be singled out wholly preventable errors that I would be pretty p*ssed off at making on a football pitch.

You can add Feds in the error stakes for the second goal. He should have done better.

[peeping bernal]

Oh, and playing Harte against a pacey winger also wasn't really a master stroke.

You'd rather Brian had selected Marcus Williams then?

He's a Man Utd fan, he'd rather we'd selected Andy Bernal!

Better put my jazz mags down and get out my neighbors hedge then. Need to be fit for next season.

[LWJ]

Never liked him. Can fcuk off. I won't explain this.

[peeping bernal]

He had a bad day yesterday, so did Zurab. It was a shame they both had their bad days together otherwise we way of coped.Our defence has performed well as a unit most of the season so no one saw that coming yesterday.

[Snowball]

He had a bad day yesterday, so did Zurab. It was a shame they both had their bad days together otherwise we way of coped.Our defence has performed well as a unit most of the season so no one saw that coming yesterday.

True. Destiny, I think. So we could win the league next season

[Mid Sussex Royal]

get rid of griffan and Zurab

Harsh. McD has to take some blame I think by not protecting a slow back 4 against a pacey 3 man
attack.

I would have played Howard in midfield behind Long (no Hunt) and sat holding midfielder in front of back 4.

[Sir Rodger Doyle]

Griifin did not have his best game for Reading today but to single him out, no.

The back four were awful in the 1st half, Swansea's passing an movement created continuos problems.

The half time talk sorted it out, we then made a game of it in the 2nd Half.... It could have been one of the best comebacks ever bar for the post.

Swansea's pace across the front three caused us problems. The most of their passing was conducted in their own half or across us.

[Sir Rodger Doyle]

Oh, and playing Harte against a pacey winger also wasn't really a master stroke.

Correct, and I am afraid that BMc - for all the good job he has done - didn't seem to learn much from our two defeats to Swansea this season . As I have said on another thread, Griffin and Harte's careers are on the wane and I'd be very much inclined to release the pair of them.

And despite all the wrist slitting guff that you've plastered all over this board, and also apart from having them released, I would agree with you here.

Brian, thank God, doesn't suffer from a fraction of the blind spots that eventually afflicted Steve Coppell but he certainly has problems regarding Griffin, Harte, Cummings, Church and Manset.

Every time I have seen Cummings this season, I have always felt he has done more than enough to retain his place. I think Bryan may be suffering from a mild case of Coppellitis. It seemed that Coppell, like Bryan has a "first team" that stay together whatever. I am struggling to recall one case of a player being dropped as a result of poor performance. Griffin is Bryan's player, Cummings is the product of useless Rogers.
Harte's goals were a major contribution in getting us to Wembley but his lack of pace also made him a liability at left back throughout the season, even though this was completely lost on many including Snowball and his stats. He arrived as a centre half and I've yet to see him play there for us. He rarely misses anything in the air and I suspect he would be as good alongside Mills as anyone else we have whilst still chipping in with those lethal free kicks.

I think this is why he ended up at Carlisle. He is slow, turns like Keith Scott and is older than Paul Scholes. Yes, OK he has been a set piece replacement for Gylfi, but I don't think we can carry him.
I suspect, too, that Cummings (for his extra pace if nothing else) is now a better full back than Harte or Griffin yet Brian keeps dropping him at the first opportunity but THEN needlessly wastes a birth by putting him on yesterday's bench rather than opting for the more versatile Gunnarsson..............................which brings me to the one thing that REALLY annoyed me yesterday.

If we could have only one striker on the bench, why the fcuk did it have to be Church

He is a nice lad. He is also very much a product of Nick Hammonds Academy and that counts for more than you know.

This is Simon Church who write now can't hit a barn door with a banjo. We were told for weeks that Manset wasn't fit enough to start despite getting goals from decent cameos off the bench yet when he starts he lasts most of the game

Harte should be finished as a full back and unless Cummings starts next season we don't deserve to keep him.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Well it's just a catalogue of critical errors isn't it?

Individual blame for Zurab for the first - a rash challenge the penalty.
Collective blame for the second - Zurab getting spun too easily and Griffin putting himself completely out of position.
Individual blame for the third - Zurab's lazy clearance.
Collective blame for the fourth - Mills's poor pass out and Griffin's rash challenge for the penalty.

For the whole defeat there's no individual blame as each defender played woefully, but for each goal there can be singled out wholly preventable errors that I would be pretty p*ssed off at making on a football pitch.

As I've posted elsewhere, a lot of it was a collective lack of mental discipline - as we've shown a couple of times before this season.

For about 15-20 minutes we were more concerned about the referee's decisions than we were about doing the basics right in the game, and we were punished as a result.

If we'd kept out heads and got on with the game more - instead of feeling sorry for ourselves and pissed off at the decisions - then I'm sure we'd have made a lot fewer basic errors than we did yesterday - and it would have been a very different game.

[brendywendy]

kish has always been capable of the odd moment of lax defending, and switching off, griffin is always playing on the edge of a foul and niggling players, and trying to get away with stuff, harte has always been slow. they were good enough to get us there, not quite good enough to get us over the line this time.

oh well. unlucky lads.

[PEARCEY]

kish has always been capable of the odd moment of lax defending, and switching off, griffin is always playing on the edge of a foul and niggling players, and trying to get away with stuff, harte has always been slow. they were good enough to get us there, not quite good enough to get us over the line this time.

oh well. unlucky lads.

It wasn't unlucky though. It was plain stupidity. Why didn't Kish go for the ball instead of Dyer in the penalty box? Unbelievable challenge when you consider he was already on a yellow. Why did Griffin take out Borini in the penalty box when there was no danger at all? I don't mind individual errors or a lack of pace costing us but when its deliberate and totally avoidable challenges like the ones mentioned I get annoyed.
We couldn't have done more to gift wrap the game to a below par Swansea. It was nowt to do with luck. We should have won and would have if we hadn't been so stupid.

[brendywendy]

kish has always been capable of the odd moment of lax defending, and switching off, griffin is always playing on the edge of a foul and niggling players, and trying to get away with stuff, harte has always been slow. they were good enough to get us there, not quite good enough to get us over the line this time.

oh well. unlucky lads.

It wasn't unlucky though. It was plain stupidity. Why didn't Kish go for the ball instead of Dyer in the penalty box? Unbelievable challenge when you consider he was already on a yellow. Why did Griffin take out Borini in the penalty box when there was no danger at all? I don't mind individual errors or a lack of pace costing us but when its deliberate and totally avoidable challenges like the ones mentioned I get annoyed.
We couldn't have done more to gift wrap the game to a below par Swansea. It was nowt to do with luck. We should have won and would have if we hadn't been so stupid.

cos hes not the greatest defender ever, and hes human, and infallible.
just saying, not sure why these lapses shocked anyone. when theyve been doing it all season