The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by loyalroyal4life » 09 Feb 2011 21:31

S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.


Well from what Millsy was saying, he certainly wants out if we dont go up also feels as though RFC fans do not appreciate him and the efforts he puts in

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by S09Royal » 09 Feb 2011 21:35

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S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.


Well from what Millsy was saying, he certainly wants out if we dont go up also feels as though RFC fans do not appreciate him and the efforts he puts in


Well it's no wonder why fans don't appreciate a guy who's, supposedly, made it clear he doesn't want to stay if we don't go up.

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by Ian Royal » 09 Feb 2011 21:41

Perhaps he should try being less of a gobby, cheating shite who doesn't live up to his talent or price tag.

He has it in him to be a total fans favourite.

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by Snowball » 09 Feb 2011 22:30

Ian Royal Perhaps he should try being less of a gobby, cheating shite who doesn't live up to his talent or price tag.



I wish to formally announce that I hereafter LOVE Matt Mills.

Great Player! Great Leader!

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by muddyfeet » 09 Feb 2011 23:24

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S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.


Well from what Millsy was saying, he certainly wants out if we dont go up also feels as though RFC fans do not appreciate him and the efforts he puts in



Any source for the above? Like someone said I'm never keen on players saying they'll go if we don't go up, it's up to them to get us up, not just jump as soon as possible. I always feel that Mills had seen us as a stop gap. Be interesting if bids come in for all those who deem themselves prem worthy, and if they actually make it.


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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by Row Z Royal » 09 Feb 2011 23:27

Ian Royal Perhaps he should try being less of a gobby, cheating shite who doesn't live up to his talent or price tag.

He has it in him to be a total fans favourite.


Nah

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by loyalroyal4life » 10 Feb 2011 11:54

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S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.


Well from what Millsy was saying, he certainly wants out if we dont go up also feels as though RFC fans do not appreciate him and the efforts he puts in



Any source for the above? Like someone said I'm never keen on players saying they'll go if we don't go up, it's up to them to get us up, not just jump as soon as possible. I always feel that Mills had seen us as a stop gap. Be interesting if bids come in for all those who deem themselves prem worthy, and if they actually make it.



Yep the source is the horse's mouth. It definately is something that plays on his mind about his relationship with the fans which i guess in a way can be seen as a good thing in some shape or form...... And yes RFC players DO read Hob Nob!

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by ZacNaloen » 10 Feb 2011 12:11

“I feel I’m learning the role. The manager has helped me out and we’ve had talks,” he continued.

“I’ve seen things that fans have said regarding my mentality at times, but that’s the way I play.

"I’m a very passionate person and I care about the football club, my performances and the team’s performance.

“Sometimes it can be misinterpreted. People are entitled to their own opinions, but I’ll always be the first one in there to back up a team-mate or put a tackle in if the crowd needs to be lifted.”



It's always interesting how people read what they want into things.

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by Hoop Blah » 10 Feb 2011 12:51

S09Royal I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.


Realistically you'd be limiting your options massively if you do that.

Understandably players go were the money or glory is. The majority have no emotional tie to the club so why would they really want to play for us over any other league club willing to offer them a good wage and an opportunity to win things?

As for Mills, he'd do well to take a long hard look at himself at times. He's a pretty typical modern footballer who obviously thinks a little too highly of himself and could do with engaging his brain a bit more. The way he dived against QPR was embarassing for a supposedly blood and thunder, passionate centre half.

Would Martin Hicks or Steve Brown have thrown themselves to the floor under the slightest touch by a 5'6" winger?


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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by BR2 » 10 Feb 2011 13:13

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Ian Royal Perhaps he should try being less of a gobby, cheating shite who doesn't live up to his talent or price tag.



I wish to formally announce that I hereafter LOVE Matt Mills.

Great Player! Great Leader!


Blimey Snowball you sure have a lot of love to give.
Normally it's reserved for Long (who is expecting a Valentine from you,the love is that deep and a bit suspect),Hunt,Harte and even Mooney.
Your love for the Irish appears to have no bounds but I think Mills is just a ginger not an Irishman so you might want to retract your earlier statement.

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Re: Squad for start of 2011-12 season

by brendywendy » 10 Feb 2011 14:53

S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.



part of me thinks - agreed- ungrateful little shits.after all we and brian have done for them.theyll only sit on someone elses bench. look what happened to shorey,sonks,kits,sidwell etc
the other part thinks- LOl at any player having reading as the pinnacle of their ambitio, and why should they be loyal when it would take 2 poor games in a row before they started getting abuse.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by loyalroyal4life » 10 Feb 2011 15:07

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S09Royal Too many of our players are now saying, or have been alleged to have said, they'll leave the club if we don't get promoted this year. Well, tbh it's in their hands, or rather in their boots, so whether they stay at the club or not is actually down to what they all want to/will achieve this season. A part of me thinks they couldn't care less if we don't go up or they're hoping we don't because then they can leave :roll:
IMHO I only want to watch players who actually want to PLAY for Reading.



part of me thinks - agreed- ungrateful little shits.after all we and brian have done for them.theyll only sit on someone elses bench. look what happened to shorey,sonks,kits,sidwell etc
the other part thinks- LOl at any player having reading as the pinnacle of their ambitio, and why should they be loyal when it would take 2 poor games in a row before they started getting abuse.



Agree, i really don't see what the problem is with players using Reading as a stepping stone if you like; after all we are in the Championship and until we are regularly in the Prem season after season players (especially younger ones) will see us as an ideal club to get games, do well and move on

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Wimb » 13 Feb 2011 12:12

Even if we were in the Premier League players will use us as a stepping stone, it's what makes me laugh about those that bemoan some of our player sales recently.

Sidwell, Shorey, Hunt and Sonko were all players getting decent money and regular playing time in the PL with us and still wanted to move away.

Patience is a virtue that's almost totally dead in football now, but I'm glad I'm a fan of a team that by and large is prepared to look at the long term rather then giving in to fan demands and pressing the panic button. The Brendan Rodgers sacking aside, the club has built it's success on taking a long term view of things. They gave the managers job to people without managerial experience such as McGhee, Pardew and McDermott and gave them the time to get things right. The bulk of the 2005/2006 Championship winning team had been part of the club for several years before they came together and peaked and to expect anything less of this current side is asking for a hell of a lot.

Other sides in this division can sometimes skip some steps by either splashing a lot of cash, or can find a rhythm by winning promotion from a lower division. Norwich and Leeds are doing exactly what this club did after we were promoted in 2001/02, using the momentum of promotion to make a playoff push and have everyone at the club still galvanised by that winning feeling. But generally it takes a number of years to build a team that's going to be safely in the top six or top be in the top two.

Reading on the other hand, have been through the 'trauma' of relegation from the Premier League, a drop that's unrivalled in world football and something that unless you come back straight away can take years to recover from. In many many ways the club is STILL far better off now then it was going into say 2004/2005 or 05/06. The club now has a far greater national profile, the procedes of our PL stay have paid for better facilities for both playing and non-playing staff and the club has learned some painful lessons about how we might go about staying in the top flight should we ever get there again.

Of course it hurts to see other sides pass us and be closer to the Premier League then us. It's frustrating that the club has to sell a bright young home grown talent, or to see the last remnants of a historically good side leave. But if you've got anger towards those things then join the Football Supporters Federation, join STAR and join those who are putting pressure on the governing bodies and the government to sort out the lunacy that is football finance in 2011.

The club is risking being left behind not because it's got a lack of ambition, but because it's not prepared to gamble its long term future on having a season or two in the sun.

If you look deeper at the state of the club, the transfers in/out, the loan moves, the contract situations then there are signs that we might be able to contend sooner then you'd think. Sadly it's not today, but having been involved in a promotion race or been in the top flight up until the final 3 games of the season for the last decade, I'm prepared to give this club the benefit of the doubt and give that patience in the hope that it'll be rewarded with something special once again.


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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Elm Park Old Boy » 13 Feb 2011 12:25

Woof! Rational, mature, balanced post alert! I salute you sir.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 13 Feb 2011 20:22

Sidwell, Shorey, Hunt and Sonko were all players getting decent money and regular playing time in the PL with us and still wanted to move away.


Really, Sidwell was getting less at RFC than he thought he warranted, but he put in the work and got a good move to Chelsea. Didnt want to move but we said no to his demands.

Shorey saw the bright lights, but stayed here till we got relegated, when he jumped ship. Hardly wanting to move away

Hunt was head hunted by Sunderland for silly money, we matched it, should have let him go IMHO. Head was turned by the offers from others.

Sonko, hardly fit after injury, Stoke was hardly a step up from the club that made him, but the offer was too good to refuse. Would not have him back, but he did good.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 13 Feb 2011 20:28

Wimb

but having been involved in a promotion race or been in the top flight up until the final 3 games of the season for the last decade, .



Not last season tho, and unlikely to be this season either.

After the Ipswich defeat we really needed to win the last 7 games, so by the last 3 we were out of it.

Tho look on the bright side we can be like Coventry soon, do nothing!!

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Wimb » 14 Feb 2011 14:21

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Not last season tho, and unlikely to be this season either.

After the Ipswich defeat we really needed to win the last 7 games, so by the last 3 we were out of it.

Tho look on the bright side we can be like Coventry soon, do nothing!!


We still had a mathematical shout with 3 games to go and with 4 games to go we also were 9 points down with 12 to play for. Ok the chance wasn't massive but we still had something to play for and given the run we were on anything was possible. Still I concede the point that it wasn't THAT close.

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Really, Sidwell was getting less at RFC than he thought he warranted, but he put in the work and got a good move to Chelsea. Didnt want to move but we said no to his demands.

Shorey saw the bright lights, but stayed here till we got relegated, when he jumped ship. Hardly wanting to move away

Hunt was head hunted by Sunderland for silly money, we matched it, should have let him go IMHO. Head was turned by the offers from others.

Sonko, hardly fit after injury, Stoke was hardly a step up from the club that made him, but the offer was too good to refuse. Would not have him back, but he did good.


I'm not 100% clued up on the specifics of the Sidwell move but hadn't he made up his mind at the start of the first PL season he was going to test the market? Of course we couldn't have competed with the wages on offer at Chelsea but my point was that he was still earning a decent wage and would have gotten a decent raise had he signed a new deal at the end of the season.

Shorey was agitating for a move, there was clearly something wrong with him in that final season and whilst he tried there didn't seem much if anything to suggest he would have stayed if we'd survived that final day.

'greed about Hunt and Sonko.

My point was that no matter where you are in the league players will sometimes want to move on and bigger clubs will always hold an appeal to Reading. If Siggy had another monster season here and we'd finished 8th, would we be getting much more for him? probably not and probably less money as the player may actually request a move. As it was we were in a very strong bargaining position with any club that wanted him as he was happy here, though keen to test himself at a higher level.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Wimb » 14 Feb 2011 20:53

So Hunt gets a new 2 year deal, good news, have amended the contract details on the front page.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Svlad Cjelli » 14 Feb 2011 22:15

Wimb I'm not 100% clued up on the specifics of the Sidwell move but hadn't he made up his mind at the start of the first PL season he was going to test the market? Of course we couldn't have competed with the wages on offer at Chelsea but my point was that he was still earning a decent wage and would have gotten a decent raise had he signed a new deal at the end of the season.


From what I remember all the players renegotiated their contracts on promotion - Sidwell declined the new contract, preferring to leave at the end of that first season. That meant he was actually the worst player in the first PL season as he was the only one still on CCC wage levels.

The genius of SSC was in challenging him in that that season to show other PL clubs he was worth a contract with them - and fair play to him, he picked up the gantlet and did so. Some other players might have sulked the year out in the reserves.

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Re: The State Of The Team In February 2011 & Going Forward

by Hoop Blah » 14 Feb 2011 22:21

Not sure it was Coppell genius, more Sidwells determination to prove himself. His attitude and performances were excellent. It's just a shame he had to come out with the daft comments about feeding his family.

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