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Re: Shawcross tackle

by SpaceCruiser » 02 Mar 2010 11:59

FiNeRaIn Arsenal just remind me of Celtic, the mentality of " why us, everyone's against us" bla bla bla. Its cringe worth and I hate them.

Completely accidental tackle and basically Arsenal are saying they don't want anyone to contest a 50/50 ball with them in future, the tackle was " out of control". Bollox, It wasn't even a Red card. Always looking to blame or point the finger and the most ungracious club in the country in victory or defeat, I hope they win fvck all this season although I do wish ramsay the best and want to hear his comments on the tackle.


Spot on about Arsenal always being ungracious.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by pace=forster » 02 Mar 2010 18:28

YAWN. Did Ashley Cole stick a mobile phone up your arse while Wenger molested you when you were young Spacey?

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Negative_Jeff » 12 Oct 2010 10:21

Negative_Jeff Unusually for me I have seen this tackle on the telly and I reckon the outcome is a result of Pulis` attitude to football. Shawcross`s challenge was not malicious but reckless in that he had no idea whether he would take man or ball.
A player is not going to pull out of a challenge like that if he has a manager who will bollock him for it. Pulis` methods and ideas on the game are an affront to football.


Danny Murphy said the same the other day, but do the views of a player not exactly renowned for getting stuck in reinforce my view?

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by winchester_royal » 17 Oct 2010 00:15

Ideal Soooo.. Wilshire takes out Zigic two-footed.. what does Wenger say?
"Oh, no malice intended"

FUKK YOU ARSENE, HYPOCRITE!


It wasn't two-footed, and there was certainly no malice intended.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by John Madejski's Wallet » 17 Oct 2010 00:51

winchester_royal
Ideal Soooo.. Wilshire takes out Zigic two-footed.. what does Wenger say?
"Oh, no malice intended"

FUKK YOU ARSENE, HYPOCRITE!


It wasn't two-footed, and there was certainly no malice intended.


Studs up lunge (1-footed granted).......... had that been on an arsenal player Wenger would have been screaming blue murder.

Maybe Wilshire will return Ryan Shawcross's apology phonecall now.....but then that would take some class, something Arsenal don't have

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Starfish » 17 Oct 2010 11:13

John Madejski's Wallet Maybe Wilshire will return Ryan Shawcross's apology phonecall now.


What are you talking about?

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by PEARCEY » 17 Oct 2010 11:46

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John Madejski's Wallet Maybe Wilshire will return Ryan Shawcross's apology phonecall now.


What are you talking about?


Yeah I'm having problems with this as I wasn't aware Wiltshire had been out of the game for eight months with a double fracture to his leg

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by John Madejski's Wallet » 17 Oct 2010 17:42

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John Madejski's Wallet Maybe Wilshire will return Ryan Shawcross's apology phonecall now.


What are you talking about?


Yeah I'm having problems with this as I wasn't aware Wiltshire had been out of the game for eight months with a double fracture to his leg


:oops:
Getting my young gooners mixed up
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Arsenal still an ungraceful bunch of arses considering the tackles arsenal players have regularly put in under Wenger's tenure

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Hoop Blah » 17 Oct 2010 20:24

There was no malice is Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wengers players but he still went off on one about both.

Wilshire's was a similar reckless uncontrolled tackle that could've caused serious injury and Wenger's post match interview where he refused to admit it just shows how he's not concerned with the bigger picture, just with putting pressure on refs to give his team a break (no pun intended).


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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Starfish » 18 Oct 2010 01:53

Hoop Blah There was no malice is Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wengers players but he still went off on one about both.

Wilshire's was a similar reckless uncontrolled tackle that could've caused serious injury and Wenger's post match interview where he refused to admit it just shows how he's not concerned with the bigger picture, just with putting pressure on refs to give his team a break (no pun intended).


We all know that there was no 'malice'. Neither of those players set out to break legs, but they did. And although I also find it very difficult to accept Wenger's selective blindness, I have to say that there is a hell of a lot of 'missing the point' being posted on this thread. Wenger may be guilty of trying to influence referees (something the likes of Alex Ferguson or Mourinho would never ever dream of, of course) but we have had posters on this thread claiming that RVP's stupidly (basically) pushing a goalkeeper over was an horrific tackle - Wenger's point over the past few years has been (and I am pretty sure that I have said this elsewhere on this thread) that some teams play 'deliberately' a more physical game when they play against Arsenal. It's Arsenal's 'weakness' and a weakness is something to be exploited and this has seen broken legs. Shawcross & Taylor did not want to break legs but it is very likely that their managers sent them out with clear instructions to ruffle feathers.

There have been 'quote number' players sent off in Wenger's time at Arsenal. Wenger (correctly) points out (every given opportunity, granted) that Arsenal have been, disciplinarily, among the best behaved teams over the past five or six seasons. After match interview - put yourself in the position of a manager. Do your best - I am not condoning it but I am just trying to put myself in another man's shoes. Think about how emotional you are at games and try for a moment to imagine how a manager must feel.

Situation 1 : One of your players has just been sent off for a rash tackle - the player is an 18 year old guy whose career you have in your hands - he's made a stupid mistake but the guy he fouled is still ultimately capable of playing on (if I am wrong about that, I accept my mistake) - cover your player - take the fury on your own shoulders. I would.

Situation 2, Situation 3, Situation 4 : Opponents of yours play physically again and again against you because that is your weakness, it would seem. No malice but a couple of late tackles here and there result in players you work with day in, day out, with bones poking through skin. You come off the pitch having witnessed players from your team weeping because of what they've seen and you are asked how you feel. How do you feel?

Teams approach games against Arsenal with a plan of how to stop them and every now and again, something goes wrong. No one wants to see legs broken but, well, it has happened. And against Arsenal, the team that are beatable because they can't take a physical game. 'There was no malice in Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wenger's players but he still went off on one about both.' And you cannot for the life of you imagine why?

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Maguire » 18 Oct 2010 10:47

tbf Wenger didn't say that he didn't see it, he said it was a deserved red card

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by John Madejski's Wallet » 18 Oct 2010 10:48

Starfish 'There was no malice in Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wenger's players but he still went off on one about both.' And you cannot for the life of you imagine why?


There's going off on one, and there's accusing a player of attempted murder.

THAT loses sympathy.


//Anyone hear Stuart Hall's comment of 5live saturday about the physical tacking side of football (which lets face it is a LOT calmer than it used to be)?? I think he said if people like Wenger, Blatter & Danny Murphy were to get their way, we may as well dress the Arsenal players in french knickers, basques and fluffy high-heels and have them running around the boudoir shrieking "don't touch me, don't touch me" :lol:
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Re: Shawcross tackle

by John Madejski's Wallet » 18 Oct 2010 10:48

Maguire tbf Wenger didn't say that he didn't see it, he said it was a deserved red card


Yeah fair play to him for once (1st time for everything).... I was gobsmacked!


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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Hoop Blah » 18 Oct 2010 10:58

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Hoop Blah There was no malice is Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wengers players but he still went off on one about both.

Wilshire's was a similar reckless uncontrolled tackle that could've caused serious injury and Wenger's post match interview where he refused to admit it just shows how he's not concerned with the bigger picture, just with putting pressure on refs to give his team a break (no pun intended).


We all know that there was no 'malice'. Neither of those players set out to break legs, but they did. And although I also find it very difficult to accept Wenger's selective blindness, I have to say that there is a hell of a lot of 'missing the point' being posted on this thread. Wenger may be guilty of trying to influence referees (something the likes of Alex Ferguson or Mourinho would never ever dream of, of course) but we have had posters on this thread claiming that RVP's stupidly (basically) pushing a goalkeeper over was an horrific tackle - Wenger's point over the past few years has been (and I am pretty sure that I have said this elsewhere on this thread) that some teams play 'deliberately' a more physical game when they play against Arsenal. It's Arsenal's 'weakness' and a weakness is something to be exploited and this has seen broken legs. Shawcross & Taylor did not want to break legs but it is very likely that their managers sent them out with clear instructions to ruffle feathers.

There have been 'quote number' players sent off in Wenger's time at Arsenal. Wenger (correctly) points out (every given opportunity, granted) that Arsenal have been, disciplinarily, among the best behaved teams over the past five or six seasons. After match interview - put yourself in the position of a manager. Do your best - I am not condoning it but I am just trying to put myself in another man's shoes. Think about how emotional you are at games and try for a moment to imagine how a manager must feel.

Situation 1 : One of your players has just been sent off for a rash tackle - the player is an 18 year old guy whose career you have in your hands - he's made a stupid mistake but the guy he fouled is still ultimately capable of playing on (if I am wrong about that, I accept my mistake) - cover your player - take the fury on your own shoulders. I would.

Situation 2, Situation 3, Situation 4 : Opponents of yours play physically again and again against you because that is your weakness, it would seem. No malice but a couple of late tackles here and there result in players you work with day in, day out, with bones poking through skin. You come off the pitch having witnessed players from your team weeping because of what they've seen and you are asked how you feel. How do you feel?

Teams approach games against Arsenal with a plan of how to stop them and every now and again, something goes wrong. No one wants to see legs broken but, well, it has happened. And against Arsenal, the team that are beatable because they can't take a physical game. 'There was no malice in Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wenger's players but he still went off on one about both.' And you cannot for the life of you imagine why?


It's his double standards though. It's not the first or last time one of his players will be sent off for a stupid and reckless tackle yet he bemoans them 'for the good of the game' when it happens against his team.

The interview was quite good in the way the question was put to him, it wasn't a case of hyping it up and castigated Wilshire, they were just pointing out the similarity between that tackle and the ones Wenger has been so vocal about.

He pretty much refused to accept that. Perhaps he should show the same understanding and restraint when the tackles come in from the opposition.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Starfish » 18 Oct 2010 12:43

Hoop Blah It's his double standards though. It's not the first or last time one of his players will be sent off for a stupid and reckless tackle yet he bemoans them 'for the good of the game' when it happens against his team.

The interview was quite good in the way the question was put to him, it wasn't a case of hyping it up and castigated Wilshire, they were just pointing out the similarity between that tackle and the ones Wenger has been so vocal about.

He pretty much refused to accept that. Perhaps he should show the same understanding and restraint when the tackles come in from the opposition.


I think the fact that he 'knows' teams will play in a more physical way against his team is what blinds him. When players are injured (and it does happen), he knows that the opposition went into the game with instructions 'to make it hard for them physically'. If I leave a ground and get into my car and turn on the radio and hear the end of a sentence '.... whose leg was broken today in a late challenge in the game between Stoke and Arsenal,' I would immediately think that it was an Arsenal player affected. Why is that?

Wenger would argue that Arsenal will try to win games by passing and etc. and the opposition will try to physically stop them from doing that. I have to be careful using the word 'intent' but Wenger knows that the intentions of the Arsenal players and the opposition players are often very different, and that is why (I believe) he displays (what you acceptably describe as) double standards. And in a way, I can understand that because there is actually some difference.

And he will never condemn one of his own players publicly. It's not his style, he often talks about one of his jobs being protecting his players, and if I was one of his players, I would be very happy about that.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Starfish » 18 Oct 2010 12:49

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Starfish 'There was no malice in Shawcross or Taylor's tackles against Wenger's players but he still went off on one about both.' And you cannot for the life of you imagine why?


There's going off on one, and there's accusing a player of attempted murder.

THAT loses sympathy.


//Anyone hear Stuart Hall's comment of 5live saturday about the physical tacking side of football (which lets face it is a LOT calmer than it used to be)?? I think he said if people like Wenger, Blatter & Danny Murphy were to get their way, we may as well dress the Arsenal players in french knickers, basques and fluffy high-heels and have them running around the boudoir shrieking "don't touch me, don't touch me" :lol:


Let's be honest about it. If I went onto a political thread on AE and claimed *insert name of a politician* was (say) the Minister for Finance when it was someone completely different, I would be laughed at and not taken seriously for the rest of the thread. I might even be told that people who didn't know what they were talking about should not bother posting on that thread. Imagine that.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Gloria Gooner » 18 Oct 2010 15:01

I don't really know what some of you want from Wenger. If he says he didn't see it, he's a liar. If he says he did see it and it was justified, he can't win there either. As has been said, he will protect his own players and quite rightly so.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by LUX » 18 Oct 2010 15:53

I'm in the strange position of:

a. liking Wenger quite a lot

b. disliking Arsenal very strongly (but wanting them to beat Chelsea, obviously)

It's a funny old world.

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Hoop Blah » 21 Oct 2010 14:40

Gloria Gooner I don't really know what some of you want from Wenger. If he says he didn't see it, he's a liar. If he says he did see it and it was justified, he can't win there either. As has been said, he will protect his own players and quite rightly so.


I'd like him to stop attacking other honest professionals and putting them and the referee's under undue pressue just because his team don't fancy it now and again and get beaten by teams willing to 'put their foot in'.

If he's going to be so vocal about other teams poor tackling at times then he should perhaps be a little more honest about his own (I don't expect him to go into one about his own players but he can be critical of their dangerous tackles without doing so).

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Re: Shawcross tackle

by Gloria Gooner » 21 Oct 2010 15:42

Referees feel under pressure because they are asked to look out for deliberate fouls? Thought that was part of their remit.

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