Portsmouth Admin

[6ft Kerplunk]

Before then, if the squad is below 20, we can still bring in players, regardless of the embargo. That is allowed and is something we are looking at.'

Yet another rule thats potentially open to abuse. Is there any restriction on players they can sign. Let the squad drop down to 16, sign 4 very good players on big wages. Back to square one.

[Mr Optimist]

If HMRC do appeal with a hearing in October/November time, does that mean that in addition to the transfer embargo remaining in place that they also start the season
-10 pts for entering in to a season still in administration?

[buzzby]

Just seen in their local paper that even though they are on a transfer embargo, they are lining up a season long loan for Sonko.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Well it's good too see the Football League finally taking action against Pompey.

I'm assuming Sonko some kind of punishment?

[Tony Le Mesmer]

If HMRC do appeal with a hearing in October/November time, does that mean that in addition to the transfer embargo remaining in place that they also start the season
-10 pts for entering in to a season still in administration?

A minimum of 10 i believe with no maximum. See Luton, Bournemouth, etc.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Published Date: 15 July 2010
By David Hurley
Pompey were dealt a huge blow today after the taxman launched an appeal against the club's deal with creditors.
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) confirmed to The News that it had applied for the deal, which was Pompey's route out of administration, to be revoked or suspected.

A spokesman for HMRC said it was appealing on two grounds.

The first was that the interests of HMRC 'have been or will be unfairly prejudiced' by the agreement.

The second was that there were 'irregularities' in the way the votes of creditors were taken to secure the agreement.

Any creditor who disagreed with the proposals of the CVA had until midnight tonight to appeal against it.

Lawyers for HMRC have lodged the appeal with the High Court in London and served notice of the appeal to the club's administrators.

HMRC is known to be unhappy with the club's proposals to pay creditors back 20p in the pound.

It is also unhappy Pompey's administrators have reduced HMRC's claim from £37m to £24m.

Until the appeal is resolved Pompey will remain under a transfer embargo.

The club will also not be able to appoint a new owner without receiving a points deduction from the Football League, as they will still be in administration.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Bl ... 6422728.jp

[TFF]

First of all,



but

The club will also not be able to appoint a new owner without receiving a points deduction from the Football League, as they will still be in administration.

wtf has a new owner got to do with it? I thought no CVA = points deduction irrelevant of administration or ownership

[Barry the bird boggler]

As I recall Leeds received a 15 point penalty when they failed to come out of their CVA in time for the new season.

The last I heard was that no club can come out of administration without a CVA in place and any club starting a season in administration will be subject to a points penalty.

Each case to be determined on its own merit.

[W&E Royal]

No where has it stated about potentional points deductions, does anyone know the rules on this. I always thought that any club starting the season in admin would be deducted 10 points.

[PieEater]

The points deduction is between 15 and 20 points, although I'm not sure how they decide exactly how many.

[Sun Tzu]

The points deduction is between 15 and 20 points, although I'm not sure how they decide exactly how many.

Hopefully they'll let the fans vote....

[Geekins]

The points deduction is between 15 and 20 points, although I'm not sure how they decide exactly how many.

Hopefully they'll let the fans vote....

21 at least.

[Ian Royal]

The points deduction is between 15 and 20 points, although I'm not sure how they decide exactly how many.

Hopefully they'll let the fans vote....

21 at least.

Could it not just be both to avoid confusion, for a total of 35.

[bigmike]

If Pompey start the new season in Admin and they dont get deducted points its yet another case of the Football league being inconsistant.

You can bet your life if it was a small team they would have told them already that they are going to be deducted points

[Tony Le Mesmer]

If Pompey start the new season in Admin and they dont get deducted points its yet another case of the Football league being inconsistant.

You can bet your life if it was a small team they would have told them already that they are going to be deducted points

Is it not going to be a case of further points deductions pending the appeal? The CVA hasnt been thrown out, just appealed.

[Mr Angry]

If Pompey start the new season in Admin and they dont get deducted points its yet another case of the Football league being inconsistant.

You can bet your life if it was a small team they would have told them already that they are going to be deducted points

Is it not going to be a case of further points deductions pending the appeal? The CVA hasnt been thrown out, just appealed.

Surely the rule is unambiguous?

If a club is still in administration when the season starts, then they have a points deduction.

If the appeal fails later this Year, the appeal fails; that doesn't get around the fact that Porstmouth will be in administration when the season starts.

In view of the punishment that teams like Luton and Bournemouth had, and taking into account the way that Pompey have been run, anything less than a 20 point deduction will seem like leniency.

[wolsey]

If Pompey start the new season in Admin and they dont get deducted points its yet another case of the Football league being inconsistant.

You can bet your life if it was a small team they would have told them already that they are going to be deducted points

Is it not going to be a case of further points deductions pending the appeal? The CVA hasnt been thrown out, just appealed.

Surely the rule is unambiguous?

If a club is still in administration when the season starts, then they have a points deduction.

If the appeal fails later this Year, the appeal fails; that doesn't get around the fact that Porstmouth will be in administration when the season starts.

In view of the punishment that teams like Luton and Bournemouth had, and taking into account the way that Pompey have been run, anything less than a 20 point deduction will seem like leniency.

Also, if a club entering the Football League from the other end (i.e. the Blue Square) were in administration during the close season would the FL have any obligation to accept them as members?

[Wax Jacket]

the powers that be in the non-league would've sent them packing years ago in any case

[Mr Angry]

Also, if a club entering the Football League from the other end (i.e. the Blue Square) were in administration during the close season would the FL have any obligation to accept them as members?

No they don't.

In fact, there is a specific rule in the FL rule book that says teams in administration are NOT allowed into the FL; obviously designed for the scenario where a team is promoted from the Conference and conveniently forgotton about/ignored in the case of a team getting relegated from the Premier League.

[Skyline]

Published Date: 15 July 2010
By David Hurley
...

It is also unhappy Pompey's administrators have reduced HMRC's claim from £37m to £24m.

This bit gets me. How can the administrators determine how much is owed to HMRC? Surely that is down to HMRC and/or the courts to decide?