Shawcross tackle

[Focher]

3rd Arsenal leg break in 4 years, try searching the Abou Diaby one on Youtube which was horrific at Sunderland. Unfortunate incident yes but you can understand where he is coming from.

Maybe they're not getting enough calcium in their diet?

if Wenger does not believe in coincidence as stated then maybe he should look at calcium deficiency, im half serious.

The challenges you see by Taylor and Shawcross happen week in week out, so its either Arsenals players have been extremely unlucky (most likely), or their bones are not strong enough.

Maybe they should start watching Accrington Stanley.

[1871 Royal]

Focher : Accrington Stanley

Arsene Wenger : Who are they?!

[Focher]

Focher : Accrington Stanley

Arsene Wenger : Who are they?!

drink yer milk, breast or bottle

[bobbybottler]

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Puts me in mind of the David Busst injury, he did well to walk again.

[Ark Royal]

Terrible, absolutely terrible injury; but if Sarson Whinger really thinks that there is an agenda against his team in inflicting deliberate career-ending injuries against his players, he and his team of balsa wood players should fu ck off and take up synchronized knitting. Does he seriously think that was Shawcross's intent? What an absolute cu nt.

All the best to Ramsey and I hope he makes a full recovery. He is a talented lad.

[Starfish]

Terrible, absolutely terrible injury; but if Sarson Whinger really thinks that there is an agenda against his team in inflicting deliberate career-ending injuries against his players, he and his team of balsa wood players should fu ck off and take up synchronized knitting. Does he seriously think that was Shawcross's intent? What an absolute cu nt.

All the best to Ramsey and I hope he makes a full recovery. He is a talented lad.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that players are trying to permanently injure Arsenal players - the issue (as such) is that there is the generally accepted idea that Arsenal 'don't like it um 'em'. Teams (like Stoke, like Birmingham) see this as Arsenal's weakness and try to exploit it. It's not about injuring people - it's about playing 'hard' and some teams focus on this much more when they play against Arsenal than they do when they play against (say) Chelsea. Maybe we can criticise Wenger for not creating a 'stiffer backbone' but criticising him for being upset when one of his players (not the first) has his leg shattered is simply pathetic.

And let us forget for just one minute that Wenger is also human. He brought Ramsey to London and works with him every day of the week, believes that he will be a world class player and watches him being carried off the pitch on a stretcher. I agree about the lack of intent but Wenger walks off the pitch with the image of an excellent player in tatters, and he is not allowed weakness. Ramsey out of the game for a year, but Wenger is (according to you) denied the right to complain about that. Wenger sees another of his players injured and should keep his mouth shut. Would Brian Clough have accepted such a circumstance? Ferguson would shake Shawcross's hand, wouldn't he?

Shawcross is not the victim here although I do feel sincerely sorry for him - the cünts are those (such as you) who are trying to suggest he is.

[Messiah]

I'm with Starfish. There was no mallic in that tackle what so ever! It's just one of those things. The poor lad was distraught walking off the pitch.

If you want mallice you needn't look any further that Roy Keane, and that ended a career. That was intent and no remorse, and worst of all little to know punishment for Keane.

[Ark Royal]

Terrible, absolutely terrible injury; but if Sarson Whinger really thinks that there is an agenda against his team in inflicting deliberate career-ending injuries against his players, he and his team of balsa wood players should fu ck off and take up synchronized knitting. Does he seriously think that was Shawcross's intent? What an absolute cu nt.

All the best to Ramsey and I hope he makes a full recovery. He is a talented lad.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that players are trying to permanently injure Arsenal players - the issue (as such) is that there is the generally accepted idea that Arsenal 'don't like it um 'em'. Teams (like Stoke, like Birmingham) see this as Arsenal's weakness and try to exploit it. It's not about injuring people - it's about playing 'hard' and some teams focus on this much more when they play against Arsenal than they do when they play against (say) Chelsea. Maybe we can criticise Wenger for not creating a 'stiffer backbone' but criticising him for being upset when one of his players (not the first) has his leg shattered is simply pathetic.

And let us forget for just one minute that Wenger is also human. He brought Ramsey to London and works with him every day of the week, believes that he will be a world class player and watches him being carried off the pitch on a stretcher. I agree about the lack of intent but Wenger walks off the pitch with the image of an excellent player in tatters, and he is not allowed weakness. Ramsey out of the game for a year, but Wenger is (according to you) denied the right to complain about that. Wenger sees another of his players injured and should keep his mouth shut. Would Brian Clough have accepted such a circumstance? Ferguson would shake Shawcross's hand, wouldn't he?

Shawcross is not the victim here although I do feel sincerely sorry for him - the cünts are those (such as you) who are trying to suggest he is.

No. Of course, I can fully understand that Wenger has the physical welfare of his players very much to heart, but Wenger thinks that there is an 'agenda' against his team and that teams are out to get his players. This is patent nonsense. If he is not implying that, then what is he trying to say? The game is becoming gentrified enough as it is: more red cards for virtually innocuous challenges and the art of tackling is slowly disappearing. Take the physical challenge out of this game and it dies.

I get the overwhelming impression that Shawcross was sent off because of the result of his tackle and not because of the tackle itself. This is a contact sport and as a result injuries are part and parcel of it. For Wenger to imply that it is anything else is just wrong, wrong, wrong. In saying that I sincerely hope that Ramsey makes a speedy and full recover because he is a very talented player. I feel for Shawcross as well because he will have to carry the thought that he was the cause of a really bad injury.

[Stooper]

Can I also just sympathise with Shawcross here?

I obviously sympathise with Ramsey more, but I can't remember a player in my time of following football that a player has gone off in tears as a result of his 'challenge'. No malice, at all, just unfortunate. I was with Gooners and Potters who stated that after seeing that injury, the football didn't matter.


Wenger saying it was a 'horrendous tackle' can shut the f*** up tbf

[SHORT AND CURLY]

Can I also just sympathise with Shawcross here?

I obviously sympathise with Ramsey more, but I can't remember a player in my time of following football that a player has gone off in tears as a result of his 'challenge'. No malice, at all, just unfortunate. I was with Gooners and Potters who stated that after seeing that injury, the football didn't matter.


Wenger saying it was a 'horrendous tackle' can shut the f*** up tbf

So if it wasn't a tackle what was it? A tickle???

Some people

[1871 Royal]

Can I also just sympathise with Shawcross here?

I obviously sympathise with Ramsey more, but I can't remember a player in my time of following football that a player has gone off in tears as a result of his 'challenge'. No malice, at all, just unfortunate. I was with Gooners and Potters who stated that after seeing that injury, the football didn't matter.


Wenger saying it was a 'horrendous tackle' can shut the f*** up tbf

Also said it was unacceptable which was also taking it a bit far IMO. Shows that he had not seen the tackle properly before being interviewed.

[PieEater]

I thought the Ballack tackle on Tevez looked worse, obviously with a different outcome, but Tevez was lucky not to get seriously injured. He should of got a straight red rather than second yellow.

[1871 Royal]

Coming in from behind can be worse. T'was a stupid tackle from Ballack being on a yellow already!

[rhroyal]

There is a feeling that the way to beat Arsenal is to "rough them up" a bit. Is it coincidence that they have had 3 broken legs in 4 seasons? I'm sure that no manager tells his players to injure the opposition. You can see from Shawcross's reaction yesterday that he certainly had no such intent; he was devastated. However, if you go into tackles and 50:50s that bit harder against Arsenal, you're more likely to harm their players.

At the same time, if this is a problem, you can't blame teams for doing this. Try and beat Arsenal playing "good" football and you will lose. There's no rules against physical tactics. Wenger must take some responsibility in making a team that the opposition thinks they can bully. Teams didn't try it on so much against their Gunvincibles who had the likes of Vieira in there. With an entire team from front to back who lack presence and the ability to scrap, he is asking for teams to bring this rough, physical approach against them.

[PEARCEY]

Terrible, absolutely terrible injury; but if Sarson Whinger really thinks that there is an agenda against his team in inflicting deliberate career-ending injuries against his players, he and his team of balsa wood players should fu ck off and take up synchronized knitting. Does he seriously think that was Shawcross's intent? What an absolute cu nt.

All the best to Ramsey and I hope he makes a full recovery. He is a talented lad.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that players are trying to permanently injure Arsenal players - the issue (as such) is that there is the generally accepted idea that Arsenal 'don't like it um 'em'. Teams (like Stoke, like Birmingham) see this as Arsenal's weakness and try to exploit it. It's not about injuring people - it's about playing 'hard' and some teams focus on this much more when they play against Arsenal than they do when they play against (say) Chelsea. Maybe we can criticise Wenger for not creating a 'stiffer backbone' but criticising him for being upset when one of his players (not the first) has his leg shattered is simply pathetic.

And let us forget for just one minute that Wenger is also human. He brought Ramsey to London and works with him every day of the week, believes that he will be a world class player and watches him being carried off the pitch on a stretcher. I agree about the lack of intent but Wenger walks off the pitch with the image of an excellent player in tatters, and he is not allowed weakness. Ramsey out of the game for a year, but Wenger is (according to you) denied the right to complain about that. Wenger sees another of his players injured and should keep his mouth shut. Would Brian Clough have accepted such a circumstance? Ferguson would shake Shawcross's hand, wouldn't he?

Shawcross is not the victim here although I do feel sincerely sorry for him - the cünts are those (such as you) who are trying to suggest he is.

Excellent post Starfish.Lets be clear here Ramsey is the victim. It wasn't a deliberate intent by Shawcross to injure his opponent but he needs to learn a lesson. It was a very poor challenge. To describe it as "late" is being kind.
I decided to watch the tackle...didn't want to because I am really saddened about Ramsey's injury.

[bobbybottler]

Terrible, absolutely terrible injury; but if Sarson Whinger really thinks that there is an agenda against his team in inflicting deliberate career-ending injuries against his players, he and his team of balsa wood players should fu ck off and take up synchronized knitting. Does he seriously think that was Shawcross's intent? What an absolute cu nt.

All the best to Ramsey and I hope he makes a full recovery. He is a talented lad.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that players are trying to permanently injure Arsenal players - the issue (as such) is that there is the generally accepted idea that Arsenal 'don't like it um 'em'. Teams (like Stoke, like Birmingham) see this as Arsenal's weakness and try to exploit it. It's not about injuring people - it's about playing 'hard' and some teams focus on this much more when they play against Arsenal than they do when they play against (say) Chelsea. Maybe we can criticise Wenger for not creating a 'stiffer backbone' but criticising him for being upset when one of his players (not the first) has his leg shattered is simply pathetic.

And let us forget for just one minute that Wenger is also human. He brought Ramsey to London and works with him every day of the week, believes that he will be a world class player and watches him being carried off the pitch on a stretcher. I agree about the lack of intent but Wenger walks off the pitch with the image of an excellent player in tatters, and he is not allowed weakness. Ramsey out of the game for a year, but Wenger is (according to you) denied the right to complain about that. Wenger sees another of his players injured and should keep his mouth shut. Would Brian Clough have accepted such a circumstance? Ferguson would shake Shawcross's hand, wouldn't he?

Shawcross is not the victim here although I do feel sincerely sorry for him - the cünts are those (such as you) who are trying to suggest he is.

Excellent post Starfish.Lets be clear here Ramsey is the victim. It wasn't a deliberate intent by Shawcross to injure his opponent but he needs to learn a lesson. It was a very poor challenge. To describe it as "late" is being kind.
I decided to watch the tackle...didn't want to because I am really saddened about Ramsey's injury.

Agree with that. It was a poor challenge, and I agree that there was no intent but it's not like it's the first time Shawcross has unluckily broken someones leg.

[Chaney]

I agree that no studs were showing and there was no malice intended from Shawcross, but if he had tackled like you are meant to do with his feet on the turf rather than 9 inches in the air Ranseys leg wouldn`t have been broken.

[Royal Rother]

Arsenal's game is built around skillful, one touch football and quick-foted movements that leave the opposition tackling thin air because the ball has already been moved on; effectively they sucker the opponents in before leaving them for dead.

I love that side of their game but what are opponents supposed to do, stand back and watch? The fact is that Arsenal's players are trained in this quick-footed, quick-thinking style of football from an early age - it is what Wenger preaches. And it's great. And although it doesn't always click, they are better at doing it than any other club side in Europe (Barcelona aside probably).

But this does mean that, overall, more often than against any other team, the defenders will be making tackles when the ball is no longer there. Now they could just stand back in admiration, but more likely they will be getting closer and closing down quicker so there is more chance of getting the ball when making a challenge, "getting in their faces" if you will. We know it works.

I like Wenger a lot, and admire his footballing principles greatly, but his prattlings about his team being targetted do him no credit whatsoever. He above everyone else should understand that the style Arsenal play with carries the small but definitely increased risks of serious injury. Whatever the upset at seeing one of his young charges get a career-threatening injury experienced managers like Wenger really should be able to review a situation like this with a little more maturity and dignity. It's football after all, a contact sport involving human beings with vastly different skill-levels. I suspect that Ramsey will handle it with more maturity than his manager when the likeable Shawcross visits him in hospital.

Oh and Patrick Vierra was a bloody professional assassin compared to Shawcross.

[PEARCEY]

Arsenal's game is built around skillful, one touch football and quick-foted movements that leave the opposition tackling thin air because the ball has already been moved on; effectively they sucker the opponents in before leaving them for dead.

I love that side of their game but what are opponents supposed to do, stand back and watch? The fact is that Arsenal's players are trained in this quick-footed, quick-thinking style of football from an early age - it is what Wenger preaches. And it's great. And although it doesn't always click, they are better at doing it than any other club side in Europe (Barcelona aside probably).

But this does mean that, overall, more often than against any other team, the defenders will be making tackles when the ball is no longer there. Now they could just stand back in admiration, but more likely they will be getting closer and closing down quicker so there is more chance of getting the ball when making a challenge, "getting in their faces" if you will. We know it works.

I like Wenger a lot, and admire his footballing principles greatly, but his prattlings about his team being targetted do him no credit whatsoever. He above everyone else should understand that the style Arsenal play with carries the small but definitely increased risks of serious injury. Whatever the upset at seeing one of his young charges get a career-threatening injury experienced managers like Wenger really should be able to review a situation like this with a little more maturity and dignity. It's football after all, a contact sport involving human beings with vastly different skill-levels. I suspect that Ramsey will handle it with more maturity than his manager when the likeable Shawcross visits him in hospital.

Oh and Patrick Vierra was a bloody professional assassin compared to Shawcross.

Good post but don't you also think that when a player goes in for a tackle he instinctively knows whether he is going to win the ball or not...and that he should hold back a bit if he knows he's going to catch the player?

[Royal Rother]

Well yes and I do think most pros do that most of the time, but part of my point is that Arsenal are just that split second faster than everyone else so more likely to get caught by a challenge that would, against "normal" players, get the ball.