The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by From Despair To Where? » 02 Aug 2009 22:35

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Maguire You choosing to ignore the long-range shot from Heinze he let squirm under his body and then being beaten by Saha due to poor positioning?

Popular misconception. Heinze's shot took a very slight deflection off Shorey a couple of yards in front of him which took it under his body. He had it covered until that.


Again, people being prepared to make excuses for him. First rule of keeping, get your body behind the ball. Deflection or not, the ball went through his arms and under his body. Goal keeping error, plain and simple. He's a good keeper, on a par with Phil Whitehead, I'd say.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Royal Rother » 02 Aug 2009 22:41

He was in position, off the ground, in mid dive, about to make the save - it took a deflection very close to him and consequently he had no chance to alter his position. That is not a goalkeeping mistake, it is pure bad luck.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Alan Partridge » 03 Aug 2009 07:49

Royal Rother He was in position, off the ground, in mid dive, about to make the save - it took a deflection very close to him and consequently he had no chance to alter his position. That is not a goalkeeping mistake, it is pure bad luck.


He should have saved that, deflection or no deflection. Long time ago now. I wouldn't argue Federici is better than he was then. He's been very patient being second fiddle behind Hahnemann, he deserves a chance whether he takes it we'll see soon enough.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Mr Angry » 03 Aug 2009 10:33

My views fwiw.

I think to start off with we were a little in awe of the Superstars on the pitch, but when we settled I was really encouraged by our display and especially by the youngsters (hopefully) coming into the first team; players like Pearce, Robson-Kanu, and Davies don't have the baggage of last season around them and played with an exuberance that was great to watch.

Chelsea: clearly experimenting as had no width and a shocking lack of pace between Carvalho and Terry - I know its "only" a friendly but how did either Terry or Carvalho NOT get a red card for the foul on Shane Long from which Scott Davies scored? Or Obi Mikel not get at least a yellow for hacking down Davies when last man earlier in the first half?

Reading: Style - 451 in attack with width and support from Davies coming from deep in the middle - could be exciting... in defence the formation morphed into a 4231 with Gunnar and Tabb sat in front of the back 4, with the other 3 midfielders forming the first line of defence; even Chelsea found that hard to break down, so the majority of Championship sides UNLESS they have very pacy/skilful wingers, will struggle. A lot more passing than last season - is the fact that the pitch looked like the top of a snooker table a factor, and will it change once the rugger buggers cut the surface to ribbons? Who knows.

Player scores:

A Fed: Good shot stopper, but looked hesitant and uncertain under the high ball swinging in - 6

Betrand: Raw but great potential - a season with us will benefit him greatly and will give cover optins - 6

Pearce: Solid leader, great save off the goal line in the 1st half, generally got the better of Drogba - 8

Cisse: Gave solid defensive cover to Pearce in the first half, less comfortable with high balls coming into the box. Played ok as a DM in 2nd - 7

Rosenior: More of the same; gave good options to Kebe going forward, exposed defensively. ANOTHER slip nearly led to a goal - 6

Gunnarsson: Solid DM role in the 45 he was on, got caught in possession a couple of times. can he last 90 mins? Unlikely. 7

Tabb: battled away well, though short of positive end results. Would become anonymous from time to time. 6

Kebe: More of the same - LOTS of potential, hugely frustrating end result. Took his chance well though. 7

Robson-Kanu: Excellent 45 mins; ran Cashley ragged and created the panic which led to the first goal. got back well defensively as well. Encouraging. 8

Davies: Sidwellesque. Very well taken free kick, and lots of pace. One for the starting 11 more often than not IMHO. 8

Long: Great run which led to the free kick, but generally struggled in lone striker role up against the England captain. 6

Subs:

Bikey: I was surprised to see him in a Reading shirt again tbh; offered a bit more solidity in the air, but casual and sloppy as per last season. 6

NHunt: Ineffective being played out of position. 5

Mooney: Ineffective with no service. 5

Church: Ineffective with no service. 5

Henry: Made space well for a half chance. By passed for most of the time he was on the pitch but gave away a silly free kick which led to the equalizer. 6

Conclusions?

1. We need another Centre Half. We have 3 currently - 1 is crocked, 1 is raw and inexperienced and 1 is a liability - we also have to draft a midfielder into the role which isn't good.
2. We need a 20= goal a season striker - urgently. Is this not the most obvious issue at the moment??
3. We need a quality full back - Rosenior worries me and there doesn't appear to be anyone pushing him for the shirt. Unreliability + complacency = problems.

Thoughts a week before we start the season:

Positivity due to the youngsters coming through, but I don't expect us to get into the play-offs this season. A top 10 finish in what is clearly going to be a transition season would be success imho.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Platypuss » 03 Aug 2009 10:44

Kudos, Mr A.


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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Alan Partridge » 03 Aug 2009 10:47

I didn't see them game but the conclusions bit I agree with, same problems from last season most of them.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by papereyes » 03 Aug 2009 10:47

1. We need another Centre Half. We have 3 currently - 1 is crocked, 1 is raw and inexperienced and 1 is a liability - we also have to draft a midfielder into the role which isn't good.


We shouldn't have to make do. Agreed.

2. We need a 20= goal a season striker - urgently. Is this not the most obvious issue at the moment??


I wouldn't say that we need a 20 goal a season striker per se. Someone up front who can bring those extra goals out of his fellow players - especially midfielders coming up in support - would not be a bad buy. Whether that be a Kenwynne Jones/Jason Scotland Drogba-on-the-cheap signing or someone quality playing as a third midfielder, I don't know.

I want to give Shane Long his chance this season. If he fails to take it then shuffle him out of the pack but some of the games towards the end of last season showed he was starting to fulfil his potential.

3. We need a quality full back - Rosenior worries me and there doesn't appear to be anyone pushing him for the shirt. Unreliability + complacency = problems.


IMO, this is the least of our worries. Centre mid, centre back and striker are more pressing concerns.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by CMRoyal » 03 Aug 2009 10:49

Mr Angry Conclusions?

1. We need another Centre Half. We have 3 currently - 1 is crocked, 1 is raw and inexperienced and 1 is a liability - we also have to draft a midfielder into the role which isn't good.
2. We need a 20= goal a season striker - urgently. Is this not the most obvious issue at the moment??
3. We need a quality full back - Rosenior worries me and there doesn't appear to be anyone pushing him for the shirt. Unreliability + complacency = problems.


Seems to be pretty much the consensus at the moment. Hopefully two out of three of those will be addressed this month. In my opinion Rosenior probably has till Kelly gets fit to up his passing game and general awareness. Even then, I do think it's a position we need to strengthen, and soon.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Royal Rother » 03 Aug 2009 10:56

Good analysis Mr A, and I think it is worth emphasising a few words to all those who have expressed disappointment in Long's performance...

Long: Great run which led to the free kick, but generally struggled in lone striker role up against the England captain. 6


It'll be a bit easier for him next week.


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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by winchester_royal » 03 Aug 2009 11:23

It's worth emphasising the fact that we were up against one of the best teams in Eurupe as well. Some have bemoaned the lack of fluency in the play early on, but TBF to the midfield it's not easy to play through a midfield consisting of Mikel, Essien and Lampard.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by brendywendy » 03 Aug 2009 11:30

really encouraged by that in particular
they may be a week behind us in their preparations, but theyve just had a very successful tour, and like you said, its a midfield, defence, and attack full of the world class
so to have soaked it up, and got two goals 1st half when both teams were full strength was a pretty awesome display.


shame the gate will be less next week for a real game :roll:

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Ian Royal » 03 Aug 2009 12:14

Think Mr A is spot on there. Sadly Rosenior will be playing for us all season (when he isn't suspended that is).

I disagree with Papereyes that central mid needs strengtherning. We have the players, it's picking the right combination that is necessary. May take Rodgers a couple of months, but I think he'll have definitely found the 3 he wants playing together regularly by Xmas. It may also take a season of experience if some of those players are Karacan / Davies / Siggurdsson

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Royal Rother » 03 Aug 2009 12:43

If Rosenior isn't cutting it and Rodgers believes Kelly presents a better option then his age will not be a barrier to promotion as it probably was when Coppell was in charge.


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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Ian Royal » 03 Aug 2009 17:33

Royal Rother If Rosenior isn't cutting it and Rodgers believes Kelly presents a better option then his age will not be a barrier to promotion as it probably was when Coppell was in charge.


It wouldn't be if Kelly looked like he could cope, but he makes Rosenior look good. Desperately in need of a loan. Even then I personally doubt he's good enough to make it at this level.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Royal Rother » 03 Aug 2009 17:38

I thought he looked pretty good, just a bit naive at times. At least he doesn't fall over every time someone runs at him.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Ian Royal » 03 Aug 2009 17:42

Royal Rother I thought he looked pretty good, just a bit naive at times. At least he doesn't fall over every time someone runs at him.


Maybe it's youth and inexperience, but I saw him a few times and he looked like a rabbit in the headlights and really lightweight. Even considering his age and experience. Looked like he'd become a good League one player with the right work.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by wickedwhispers » 03 Aug 2009 17:45

Royal Rother I thought he looked pretty good, just a bit naive at times. At least he doesn't fall over every time someone runs at him.


Mooney did a comical dive though.

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Re: The build up - Chelsea 1st Aug 2009

by Dirk Gently » 08 Aug 2009 00:38

Mr Angry ... in defence the formation morphed into a 4231 .....


Told you so.... 8)

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