What's the point in Reading FC getting promoted ?

[brendywendy]

I have to agree with TMD here. There is no real point.

Surely Reading are better off in league one. Better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big one gettin beaten every week. They should cap clubs to which league they can play in. For Reading they should be capped at Championship level.

I'm trying to ask a constructive question no matter how people interpret it, please don't hijack my thread with this bullshit.

gtreat stuff

[brendywendy]

supporting reading since that simod cup win has been utterly wasted


doh

Glory hunter!

[Thaumagurist*]

So in answer to my initial question you are saying that the objective is to stay in existence ? What's the point in spending bundles of cash each year...... to watch your team stay in existence and not better what it has already achieved ?

Under the current financial model, staying in existence is the best objective that many clubs can hope for. There are alo possibilities of slow growth and/or consolidation, but they are extremely difficult to achive whilst there's an "arms race" of players' wages dragging all costs up.

But slow growth and consolidation is going to get you no where ?

Because inevitably you won't actually win anything and will yo yo again long term, as i mentioned with Newcastle, Charlton etc.

Depends on how patient you are with the growth. I think Chartlon were getting impatient and sacked Curbishley, which was their mistake.

Would Manure be where they are if they had sacked Ferguson after not winning much in the first 2 seasons?

[Harry Carry]

To be serious though. I do see your point. Reading have realistically acheived all they can in the game unless a rich benefactor comes along and splashes the cash. But then Reading supporters wouldn't be happy with this as they slate the richer clubs.

[brendywendy]

To be serious though. I do see your point. Reading have realistically acheived all they can in the game unless a rich benefactor comes along and splashes the cash. But then Reading supporters wouldn't be happy with this as they slate the richer clubs.

prefer us how we are



im uncomfortable with prolonged success/glory

[tink]

Point is, economics.

Not that i am an economist by any stretch of the imagination, but the higher up you are the more you earn. This isn't just in terms of the TV deals, but also the spending that goes with it. Selling out every game, selling more programmes, more hot dogs, more away fans buying pints in reading town centre, more people riding the buses, more advertising revenue, greater sponsorship opportunities for local companies etc etc.

There is also the football dream, that maybe, just maybe, we could become self-sustaining and actually start to build a squad capable of being in the premier league year in year out. This won't happen overnight, but if we can keep within the top 30 clubs in the country, we will be able to keep some momentum going.

The football club is, to use a cliche, at the centre of the community, and without it, a lot of people would be out of work and a lot more people would have nothing to do on a saturday afternoon.

Take away the chance of promotion, and there's no point having a football club. And football won't always be dominated by the same teams. The giants will eventually fade away and die when the banks call in their loans, and the people at the top actually realise that their club is built on nothing but borrowed money and has no real financial footing on which to survive

[Dirk Gently]

So in answer to my initial question you are saying that the objective is to stay in existence ? What's the point in spending bundles of cash each year...... to watch your team stay in existence and not better what it has already achieved ?

Under the current financial model, staying in existence is the best objective that many clubs can hope for. There are alo possibilities of slow growth and/or consolidation, but they are extremely difficult to achive whilst there's an "arms race" of players' wages dragging all costs up.

But slow growth and consolidation is going to get you no where ?

Because inevitably you won't actually win anything and will yo yo again long term, as i mentioned with Newcastle, Charlton etc.

In the short term you're correct. But in the longer term it might get somewhere.

There are all sorts of possible futures : numerous clubs might go out of business, the top end of the "football bubble" might burst, the £1.5 billion debt of Manchester Utd and Chelsea might be foreclosed against them, a salary cap might be introduced, the Big 4 might bugger off to a European League, new ownership rules might be introduced, Platini might have his way and prevent clubs with excessive debt from entering UEFA competitions ... who knows what will happen?

But a solvent club could well be in the right position to take advantage of any of those.

[Thaumagurist*]

im uncomfortable with prolonged success/glory

To be fair, I'd rather that than the relentless misery of prolonged failure.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Under the current financial model, staying in existence is the best objective that many clubs can hope for. There are alo possibilities of slow growth and/or consolidation, but they are extremely difficult to achive whilst there's an "arms race" of players' wages dragging all costs up.

But slow growth and consolidation is going to get you no where ?

Because inevitably you won't actually win anything and will yo yo again long term, as i mentioned with Newcastle, Charlton etc.

In the short term you're correct. But in the longer term it might get somewhere.

There are all sorts of possible futures : numerous clubs might go out of business, the top end of the "football bubble" might burst, the £1.5 billion debt of Manchester Utd and Chelsea might be foreclosed against them, a salary cap might be introduced, the Big 4 might bugger off to a European League, new ownership rules might be introduced, Platini might have his way and prevent clubs with excessive debt from entering UEFA competitions ... who knows what will happen?

But a solvent club could well be in the right position to take advantage of any of those.

Yeah, fair point. But it's like waiting around at a party when you're the spotty geeky ugly kid in the corner that no girl wants to touch. And you're spending money buying them drinks hoping you'll swerve one of them, when in reality your best hope is that all the other blokes in the room suddenly get struck down by swine flu and then maybe, just maybe, the girl might actually suck you off.

[brendywendy]

im uncomfortable with prolonged success/glory

To be fair, I'd rather that than the relentless misery of prolonged failure.

i dunno

i spent most of 05/06 in a confused haze, thinking"is this real? am i really here? or is it just a dream"

just felt all wrong

[PlasticRoyale]

Football = Silly game played by 22 idiots

[Dirk Gently]

But slow growth and consolidation is going to get you no where ?

Because inevitably you won't actually win anything and will yo yo again long term, as i mentioned with Newcastle, Charlton etc.

In the short term you're correct. But in the longer term it might get somewhere.

There are all sorts of possible futures : numerous clubs might go out of business, the top end of the "football bubble" might burst, the £1.5 billion debt of Manchester Utd and Chelsea might be foreclosed against them, a salary cap might be introduced, the Big 4 might bugger off to a European League, new ownership rules might be introduced, Platini might have his way and prevent clubs with excessive debt from entering UEFA competitions ... who knows what will happen?

But a solvent club could well be in the right position to take advantage of any of those.

Yeah, fair point. But it's like waiting around at a party when you're the spotty geeky ugly kid in the corner that no girl wants to touch. And you're spending money buying them drinks hoping you'll swerve one of them, when in reality your best hope is that all the other blokes in the room suddenly get struck down by swine flu and then maybe, just maybe, the girl might actually suck you off.

True enough. But when the girl does suck you off the feeling of satisfaction you'll get will be far, far, more than you would if she sucked you off every night because you were paying her, with other people's money that you're eventually going to have to pay back.

[TheMaraudingDog]

But it's not actually going to happen ?

[Dirk Gently]

Who can tell what the future holds?

[Rex]

No club ever stands still thought TMD. To do so would mean other teams pass you by. It's as financially competative as it is on the field. To aspire to mix it with the best and achieve the best each season is what each club sets out to do. Football is simply a competative sport. The sport it totally money driven and this is where money rules. A clubs reputation and expectations or vision is what makes a club alluring to prospective players.

In the PL certain players are attracted to the top clubs for CL experience and the huge cash rewards that go with it.

In the championship players are attracted to clubs who have a chance of breaking into the PL.

[brendywendy]

But it's like waiting around at a party when you're the spotty geeky ugly kid in the corner that no girl wants to touch. And you're spending money buying them drinks hoping you'll swerve one of them, when in reality your best hope is that all the other blokes in the room suddenly get struck down by swine flu and then maybe, just maybe, the girl might actually suck you off.

thats my life



and LOL at fans of the big four forgetting that football is cyclical
and twenty years ago leeds and forest were massive massive clubs

[Maguire]

Unfortunately there's this gimp rule that if you get promoted from The Championship then you have to play in the Premier League. It's be much better if we were allowed to just stay in the second tier.

Only real bonus I can think of is that there might be more games on TV so you don't have to drag your arse to the ground to see Ding get stuffed.

[TheMaraudingDog]

But it's like waiting around at a party when you're the spotty geeky ugly kid in the corner that no girl wants to touch. And you're spending money buying them drinks hoping you'll swerve one of them, when in reality your best hope is that all the other blokes in the room suddenly get struck down by swine flu and then maybe, just maybe, the girl might actually suck you off.

thats my life



and LOL at fans of the big four forgetting that football is cyclical
and twenty years ago leeds and forest were massive massive clubs

Yes, they did, pre Sky and pre money dictating things as much as it does now. There is a greater monopoly in the EPL than in the SPL. FACT

It won't change either, not massively unless money doesn't dictate in the way it does now. Which will happen when you get sucked off.

[TFF]

Who can tell what the future holds?

We need to be hovering around the top flight to ensure we get invited into EPL2 with Celtic and Rangers.

[Silver Fox]

For Fulham away, that's about it