Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

[Royal Lady]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

[SpaceCruiser]

I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

That's right, move the goalposts.

How is that moving the goalposts?? He said, in September, that come the end of the season we wouldn't have made any progress, i.e. that we wouldn't get promoted back to the Prem and that we'd probably end up mid table. How is that moving the goalposts!!

Right, ok. Have a look at Schards' statement:

I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.

And tell me where in that statement did he specifically mention the end of the season. I read it as mid-table throughout the season.

[Royal Lady]

Well you read it wrong then.

[londinium]

I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

That's right, move the goalposts.

How is that moving the goalposts?? He said, in September, that come the end of the season we wouldn't have made any progress, i.e. that we wouldn't get promoted back to the Prem and that we'd probably end up mid table. How is that moving the goalposts!!

CAN YOU NOT READ!!!!!!! or are you as ignorant as him??????

He said, andit is the very first line, so it isn't too far for you to scroll.

'I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.'

This means that until a sea of change he expects mid table football it doesn't mean at the end of the season. It means anytime between when he wrote it and a 'sea of change'.

My god you two are well suited.

The words 'head' 'brick' and 'wall' spring to mind.

[SpaceCruiser]

I don't think so, RL.

[Schards#2]

What I do know is that the new contract won't effect the outcome.

Um, no you don't.

You assume, based on a lack of knowledge of the contract, the conversations between club and player and the motivation of the player.

None of us have a clue about the new deal other than it adds a year to the contract. We have no idea what bonuses it includes, what the new salary level is, whether it includes release clauses or even penalty clauses.

Of course it's easy to make brave statements of opinion dressed up as fact when you know they cannot be proved or disproved. I'm sure you''ll revert to the old argument of accusing people of not reading what you write rather than coming down to the elvel of the rest and engaging in a less confrontational discussion.

I don't know the contents of the contract but why would they be relevent?

If he 's staying because he likes it here then the new contract is irrelevent.

If he's staying because we are prepared to pay more than anyone else then, again, it's irrelevent as, if that's our position, we would have topped any wages offer made by someone else in January.

The "old argument" of people not reading what I write is no less valid for being old. Off the top of my head, on this thread alone, Spacey said I had said we won't win an away game this season and Wycombe Royal has said I called Doyle a liar. Both comments are completely untrue.

[Sun Tzu]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

Have a go at it then, because his initial posts say nothing about the end of the season but simply list a whole series of things that he sees as being wrong at the club NOW. Many of these have clearly been shown to be incorrect. A simple acknowledgement of that would stop him looking daft (and avoid you looking equally daft by your loyal defence of him)

[Wycombe Royal]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

I'm not arguing with him about that......

[Wycombe Royal]

and Wycombe Royal has said I called Doyle a liar. Both comments are completely untrue.

No I didn't, but don't let get in the way of you digging a bigger hole for yourself.

[SpaceCruiser]

I don't know the contents of the contract but why would they be relevent?

If he 's staying because he likes it here then the new contract is irrelevent.

If he's staying because we are prepared to pay more than anyone else then, again, it's irrelevent as, if that's our position, we would have topped any wages offer made by someone else in January.

The "old argument" of people not reading what I write is no less valid for being old. Off the top of my head, on this thread alone, Spacey said I had said we won't win an away game this season and Wycombe Royal has said I called Doyle a liar. Both comments are completely untrue.

Could you spell "relevant" properly next time, please?

Oh and do you know what "implies" means?

[Sun Tzu]

The "old argument" of people not reading what I write is no less valid for being old. Off the top of my head, on this thread alone, Spacey said I had said we won't win an away game this season and Wycombe Royal has said I called Doyle a liar. Both comments are completely untrue.

You forgot to include the most obvious example of people posting without reading what you have said.

That would be yourself....

I'm surprised you don't realise how lack of knowledge of the contract is important, although not surprised that you adopt the usual approach of simply taking two positions and assuming there are no others possible.

The new contract could be structured in any number of ways that differ from his old one. There could be a release clause of £20 million that applies to Jan 31st with a doubling of wages on Feb 1st and a drop in the release clause to £1 million. If there was no release clause in the old deal and no wage rise then the new deal would make it much more likely that he stays.

[Quagmire]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

May I suggest you read the thread title "Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future" above each of the posts on here. Or does your definition of foreseeable future differ from everyone else's and it instead starts at the end of the season?

Pulling your own teeth out >>>>>>>>>>> discussion with Schards#2/Royal Lady

[Schards#2]

When Spacey starts majoring on spelling and Wycombe Royal suggests that basically saying someone is not lying is not the same as calling them a liar you have to conclude that they've basically lost the argument.

Wycombe, why not just admit you overstated things a bit instead of trying to wriggle out of it otherwise you look a bit daft frankly.

Oh, and Londinium, go and lie down mate.

[AF1]

The game I am really looking forward to is Barnsley away, the difference between the two teams is Oceans twelve point seperate us at the moment but it'll be a lot more come the end of the season

[Royal Lady]

I hardly think you're in a position to make patronising comments about Schards' spelling!

I believe that Schards meant in his original post that we would be mid-table mediocrity for the foreseeable future - meaning for that we would not only finish around mid-table this season, but every season after until either Mr Mad decided he didn't want to sell anymore and would invest some more money, or he would sell to someone who wanted to spend a bit of money, etc. He did not ever say "we'll never be top three" this season - which is what you are implying. He was talking about our general position overall. There's still a long way to go. And, as I have said, AD FLIPPING NAUSEAUM - NO-ONE will be happier than him if he is proved wrong. That was merely how he saw it in September and it is not him who keeps dragging this thread up after every game - he is prepared to wait until the end of the season and see if he was correct or not, and if he's not, he'll apologise - GLADLY. The rest of you, as usual, like a whipping boy, and as usual it's Schards, for daring to give his opinion which was rather more negative than a lot of other people.

[Royal Lady]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

Have a go at it then, because his initial posts say nothing about the end of the season but simply list a whole series of things that he sees as being wrong at the club NOW. Many of these have clearly been shown to be incorrect. A simple acknowledgement of that would stop him looking daft (and avoid you looking equally daft by your loyal defence of him)

CAN'T YOU READ??? I said he would APOLOGISE at the END OF THE SEASON if he was proved wrong.

[Baines]

Schards, do you still think, with hindsight, that we should have got rid of Coppell in the summer and started afresh?

[londinium]

To be honest, I think he's daft to even bother arguing with any of you. He said COME THE END OF THE SEASON if, indeed, he was wrong, that he would hold his hands up and admit he was wrong. But I will explain to Spacey and anyone else who gets things wrong, what he said. HTH.

May I suggest you read the thread title "Re: Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future" above each of the posts on here. Or does your definition of foreseeable future differ from everyone else's and it instead starts at the end of the season?

Pulling your own teeth out >>>>>>>>>>> discussion with Schards#2/Royal Lady

Lol

Quagmire, Spacey, Sun, Wycombe and to all those who can read and have the intelligence to understand a sentence.

Lets just give up... its like talking to a pair of two year olds when Shards and RL are concerned.

All we are doing is wasting our time,,, oh and we are making them look more stupid than the original post ever was.

[Harry Carry]

LOL @ getting angry. Its only football and we're not even half way through the season yet. All sorts of things could happen between now and then. I see Doyle and Hunt going in January.

[londinium]

When Spacey starts majoring on spelling and Wycombe Royal suggests that basically saying someone is not lying is not the same as calling them a liar you have to conclude that they've basically lost the argument.

Wycombe, why not just admit you overstated things a bit instead of trying to wriggle out of it otherwise you look a bit daft frankly.

Oh, and Londinium, go and lie down mate.

Excellent retort.

I see my case can be rested as you have absolutely no defence to your arguement and resort to childish statements.