Speculation : Shane Long to return

[melonhead]

nope.

multiple quotes. non contradictory.

i got everyone i wanted doesnt contradict i was given a budget and spent it all

[Extended-Phenotype]

Sure, but where do you get the notion that Brian didn’t ask for a budget or TSI didn’t ask him what figure he required?

Not saying he did or was, just wondered where the obstinacy that he is free of liability comes from.

[melonhead]

Sure, but where do you get the notion that Brian didn’t ask for a budget or TSI didn’t ask him what figure he required?

Not saying he did or was, just wondered where the obstinacy that he is free of liability comes from.

never ever said he was free of liabilty.
hes clearly not


he was replying to people questioning our poor start, and whether we had spent enough to stay up, and he said hed been given a budget, and had spent it all.
seemed a pretty clear rebuttal of that to me.
(see also coppells comments which seem to back that up, and i would assume is brians voice by proxy)

im also aware that this may just be me of course

[Hoop Blah]

pretty sure weve always given the budget to the manager and he works within it


quotes from coppell before the crawley game(which i pretty much see as being brians opinion, seeing how close they are) seem to back up the idea that they were surprised how low it was, and didnt think it was any way near enough.
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Which quotes from Coppell?

Everything I've ever read from previous managers, and I think McDermott, contradicts the idea that there's ever been a £Xm budget now go and spend it.

[Hoop Blah]

Sure, but where do you get the notion that Brian didn’t ask for a budget or TSI didn’t ask him what figure he required?

Not saying he did or was, just wondered where the obstinacy that he is free of liability comes from.

never ever said he was free of liabilty.
hes clearly not


he was replying to people questioning our poor start, and whether we had spent enough to stay up, and he said hed been given a budget, and had spent it all.
seemed a pretty clear rebuttal of that to me.
(see also coppells comments which seem to back that up, and i would assume is brians voice by proxy)

im also aware that this may just be me of course

IF such a definitive budget was set in the summer, do you not think McDermott would've been involved in those budget setting discussions? They'd have surely been led by his perceived requirements post promotion.

In regards to his comments since, I'm not sure he'd have gained anything from coming out and saying, "I only wanted £5m to spend as I believed the current players we had were good enough".

Finally, are you saying that Zingaravich was deliberately misleading or lieing when he said money wasn't an issue on Football Focus? He too would have different motivation and perceptions of what happened for basis his comments, but it sounds like you're calling him a lier.

[melonhead]

pretty sure thats not how its worked here with the owner and hammond in the past

and brians repeated over and over in the lead up to jan that he was waiting to see how much money was available before he knew what he could spend it on.
which also backs that up.

as does the previous quotes from him i gave.

never saw antons interview.im talking about brians

[Hoop Blah]

Worth a watch: http://www.footballorgin.com/2012/12/tv ... 22012.html

18 minutes in and Anton goes on to say money wasn't an issue, we made decisions to stick with the team we had etc.

[melonhead]

IF such a definitive budget was set in the summer, do you not think McDermott would've been involved in those budget setting discussions?

i "imagine" that the coversations went like this:


AZ-so what do you think we need to ensure we stay up?
BM-about 40 million quid, not including wages and a total rebuild, and that still wont guarantee survival, and is against what we stand for, plus i dont think changing the whole team in one summer will ever work.
AZ-ok, cant do that then, what are our other options?
BM-we cover the 6 positions we need with as much quality/experience as we can afford, give the current squad a chance, and if we go down, use the parachutes to keep building the squad properly
AZ-ok. i can give you about 15 million in total.
BM-fine, thanks, ill do what i can with that.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Dunno about anyone else, but your pure imagination has me convinced.

[Ian Royal]

nope.

multiple quotes. non contradictory.

i got everyone i wanted doesnt contradict i was given a budget and spent it all

No it doesn't but you're reading into it what you want, rather than what was actually said. To support your view you add "within our budget" to McDermott's quote. Which is your supposition only. And you now appear to be changing the quote from "I got everyone I wanted and I went for" (I believe that's what it was) to I had a budget and I spent it all. Which I haven't actually seen a quote for.

And I have seen McDermott say "in hindsight we should have invested more in the summer". That suggests there was room to invest more. As in, we chose not to spend more. Although it doesn't outright say it.

[Hoop Blah]

IF such a definitive budget was set in the summer, do you not think McDermott would've been involved in those budget setting discussions?

i "imagine" that the coversations went like this:


AZ-so what do you think we need to ensure we stay up?
BM-about 40 million quid, not including wages and a total rebuild, and that still wont guarantee survival, and is against what we stand for, plus i dont think changing the whole team in one summer will ever work.
AZ-ok, cant do that then, what are our other options?
BM-we cover the 6 positions we need with as much quality/experience as we can afford, give the current squad a chance, and if we go down, use the parachutes to keep building the squad properly
AZ-ok. i can give you about 15 million in total.
BM-fine, thanks, ill do what i can with that.

See I have a suspicion that, having listened to some of Zingaravich's comments, he probably went into it with a bit more of a 'fantasy football' shopping list (ref his list of 10 players etc) and McDermott was more the one playing down our shopping requirement because of his loyalty to the Championship winning squad.

[tee peg]

[i "imagine" that the coversations went like this:


AZ-so what do you think we need to ensure we stay up?
BM-about 40 million quid, not including wages and a total rebuild, and that still wont guarantee survival, and is against what we stand for, plus i dont think changing the whole team in one summer will ever work.
AZ-ok, cant do that then, what are our other options?
BM-we cover the 6 positions we need with as much quality/experience as we can afford, give the current squad a chance, and if we go down, use the parachutes to keep building the squad properly
AZ-ok. i can give you about 15 million in total.
BM-fine, thanks, ill do what i can with that.[/quote]

Bang on ^

[Royalclapper]

Or, BM has no experience at this level so he didn't want to go on a splurge and then still get relegated, which is a face saving exercise. At least being tight in the transfer market doesn't ruin the club and going down is slightly less painful. Interesting whether AZ will view it in the same way, nobody is even sure if AZ was just talking things up a bit because the BBC were at the Stadium or whether he plans to continue to be prudent with signings. Recent signings look to be following the latter.

[melonhead]

IF such a definitive budget was set in the summer, do you not think McDermott would've been involved in those budget setting discussions?

i "imagine" that the coversations went like this:


AZ-so what do you think we need to ensure we stay up?
BM-about 40 million quid, not including wages and a total rebuild, and that still wont guarantee survival, and is against what we stand for, plus i dont think changing the whole team in one summer will ever work.
AZ-ok, cant do that then, what are our other options?
BM-we cover the 6 positions we need with as much quality/experience as we can afford, give the current squad a chance, and if we go down, use the parachutes to keep building the squad properly
AZ-ok. i can give you about 15 million in total.
BM-fine, thanks, ill do what i can with that.

See I have a suspicion that, having listened to some of Zingaravich's comments, he probably went into it with a bit more of a 'fantasy football' shopping list (ref his list of 10 players etc) and McDermott was more the one playing down our shopping requirement because of his loyalty to the Championship winning squad.

ive heard mcdermott say that yes, there was a list of ten possible players, but that in no way did it mean anton wanted to get ten new players in

[UpThePrem]

Lazio currently favourites to get Shane if he moves.

[Brianstorm]

Lazio currently favourites to get Shane if he moves.

Why won't he just come back or sign for Atletico so I can watch him again and I can get Long on the back of my Atletico shirt

[melonhead]

thats not usually how it works here tbf

How do you think it works then brendy?

Everything I've ever read about the way transfers works is that the manager goes to the powers that be and asks for a player and they review whether or not he can be afforded.

Things may have changed since TSI got involved but Zingaravich was pretty clear of Football Focus that money wasn't the issue over the summer. Brian also said that he go everyone he wanted and spent all that he had. If he wasn't given a specific figure to spend (as we've done it in the past) then it follows that he'd have spent all he was given as he was only given the funds to buy the players he asked for.

There seems to be slightly conflicting stories coming from the two, but not ones I'd suggest are in total disagreement with each other, or are any more than passing comments on the summer from either of them (in other words I wouldn't take either statements too literally).

"I've never had a budget to splash big money and buy £8 million players in my three years as manager here and, until I'm told otherwise, we just have to get on with it.
"I do the very best I can with what I've got. I had to do that in the summer and it's never been any different here. It's not frustrating, it's just how it is."

[LoyalRoyal22]

I can confirm that Shane Long will return to Reading tomorrow

[Ian Royal]

i "imagine" that the coversations went like this:


AZ-so what do you think we need to ensure we stay up?
BM-about 40 million quid, not including wages and a total rebuild, and that still wont guarantee survival, and is against what we stand for, plus i dont think changing the whole team in one summer will ever work.
AZ-ok, cant do that then, what are our other options?
BM-we cover the 6 positions we need with as much quality/experience as we can afford, give the current squad a chance, and if we go down, use the parachutes to keep building the squad properly
AZ-ok. i can give you about 15 million in total.
BM-fine, thanks, ill do what i can with that.

See I have a suspicion that, having listened to some of Zingaravich's comments, he probably went into it with a bit more of a 'fantasy football' shopping list (ref his list of 10 players etc) and McDermott was more the one playing down our shopping requirement because of his loyalty to the Championship winning squad.

ive heard mcdermott say that yes, there was a list of ten possible players, but that in no way did it mean anton wanted to get ten new players in

Yeah, which is what anyone but a half-wit could have worked out without needing to be told IMO.

[Mike Hunt]

I can confirm that Shane Long will return to Reading tomorrow