John Terry

[No Fixed Abode]

No I don't. I generally only mention Heysel on the anniversary when all Liverpool fans forget about it.

Oh right, gramps a Juve fan was he?

Point is you troll this board trying to wind people up, then complain when someone posts an equally offensive opinion.

Not at all. It is not my fault Liverpool fans get offended by the sheer mention of Heysel. We can remember the anniversary of Hillsborough, but should anyone remember the Heysel anniversary - it's a wind up 'attempt'. Please.

[cmonurz]

You don't 'remember' Heysel any more than you paint your toe nails.

Anyway, back to thread - Terry is a cnut, but wishing him injury is shit.

[East End Lady]

Apparently he has no significant damage and will be out for weeks rather than months


That Suarez just can't do anything right

[No Fixed Abode]

You don't 'remember' Heysel any more than you paint your toe nails.

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It's not about being alive or old enough to remember Heysel when it happened. I wasn't around during World War 1 or 2, but I still think of those that lost their lives fighting for our Country. So, by your reckoning - I'm not allowed, as I wasn't around at the time?

[cmonurz]

You don't 'remember' Heysel any more than you paint your toe nails.

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It's not about being alive or old enough to remember Heysel when it happened. I wasn't around during World War 1 or 2, but I still think of those that lost their lives fighting for our Country. So, by your reckoning - I'm not allowed, as I wasn't around at the time?

Wrong meaning of 'remember', I'm not talking about when you were born. You don't think about/mourn/remember the victims of Heysel any more than you wear skirts.

[No Fixed Abode]

Ok, it never happened.

[Terminal Boardom]

I am with NFA on this. It is a sad fact that Liverpool and Liverpool fans turn a blind eye to events that occurred at Heysel many years ago. It was always someone elses fault. And that was an incident that put English football on the back foot for many years owing to the European ban. The sooner they stand up and accept responsibility for what happened, the better. Will that ever happen? No!

[Ian Royal]

You don't 'remember' Heysel any more than you paint your toe nails.

Anyway, back to thread - Terry is a cnut, but wishing him injury is shit.

Agreed. But what about laughing when he gets one? It's not quite the same thing.

[Royalist]

The 'blind eye' the club and Liverpool fans show is nothing like the blind eye the police and government showed so not the same at all. Liverpool fans who were to blame for deaths went to jail and ALL English clubs were punished for it. Nothing like Police who were to blame being able to work for decades and get a fat pension.

But thats for another thread!

[Anfield Kopite]

The 'blind eye' the club and Liverpool fans show is nothing like the blind eye the police and government showed so not the same at all. Liverpool fans who were to blame for deaths went to jail and ALL English clubs were punished for it. Nothing like Police who were to blame being able to work for decades and get a fat pension.

But thats for another thread!

Is correct. Also it is untrue that all Liverpool fans conveniently forget about the Heysel disaster. Just have a look on my home forum (redandwhitekop) every 29th May. There will be a thread pages long with comments like R.I.P. 39 and Never forgotten. It is true that the 96 of Hillsborough are sung about week in week out and have been for 23 years but that is for the reasons that Royalist pointed out above. I.E. cover up and lies that have only recently been fully exposed. Those proven to be guilty at Heysel were jailed and rightly so. Those who were guilty at Hillsborough blamed others.

[No Fixed Abode]

Justice for the clubs banned from European football due to Liverpool fans behaviour.

[Anfield Kopite]

Justice for the clubs banned from European football due to Liverpool fans behaviour.

Lets not get into a discussion about football fans behaviour in the 80s. Chelsea Headhunters Anyone ?

[No Fixed Abode]

Justice for the clubs banned from European football due to Liverpool fans behaviour.

Lets not get into a discussion about football fans behaviour in the 80s. Chelsea Headhunters Anyone ?

It's not like a Liverpool fan to deflect the blame is it?

[Anfield Kopite]

Justice for the clubs banned from European football due to Liverpool fans behaviour.

Lets not get into a discussion about football fans behaviour in the 80s. Chelsea Headhunters Anyone ?

It's not like a Liverpool fan to deflect the blame is it?

Read my previous post written less than an hour ago. You will see i wasnt deflecting any blame. You sir are a troll and a wum.

[No Fixed Abode]

For the duration of the ban arising from the Heysel disaster, 20 teams missed out on the chance to play in the three European competitions. The table below lists these teams, but does not capture the hidden effect of the European ban, in that many of the top players and managers left English teams for the opportunity of playing in Europe, thus weakening the teams they left behind. It is often said that of all the teams affected by the ban the team that suffered most were Liverpool's local rivals, Everton, and the ban is said to have been the initial cause of the increasing ferocity of the rivalry between the two, whose local derby used to be labelled "The friendly derby".

(can't be arsed to post the table)

[floyd__streete]

Q: was Heysel the sole reason for english teams being banned from european competition between 1985-1991?

[Anfield Kopite]

For the duration of the ban arising from the Heysel disaster, 20 teams missed out on the chance to play in the three European competitions. The table below lists these teams, but does not capture the hidden effect of the European ban, in that many of the top players and managers left English teams for the opportunity of playing in Europe, thus weakening the teams they left behind. It is often said that of all the teams affected by the ban the team that suffered most were Liverpool's local rivals, Everton, and the ban is said to have been the initial cause of the increasing ferocity of the rivalry between the two, whose local derby used to be labelled "The friendly derby".

(can't be arsed to post the table)

And your point is ? Heysel was the final straw and excuse for UEFA to ban English clubs from Europe. They were heartily sick of fans from England causing mayhem (mainly watching the national side). That is why the banned all English teams. Liverpool were given extra because it was they who were involved at Heysel. It was the correct decision all around in my opinion.

[No Fixed Abode]

For the duration of the ban arising from the Heysel disaster, 20 teams missed out on the chance to play in the three European competitions. The table below lists these teams, but does not capture the hidden effect of the European ban, in that many of the top players and managers left English teams for the opportunity of playing in Europe, thus weakening the teams they left behind. It is often said that of all the teams affected by the ban the team that suffered most were Liverpool's local rivals, Everton, and the ban is said to have been the initial cause of the increasing ferocity of the rivalry between the two, whose local derby used to be labelled "The friendly derby".

(can't be arsed to post the table)

And your point is ? Heysel was the final straw and excuse for UEFA to ban English clubs from Europe. They were heartily sick of fans from England causing mayhem (mainly watching the national side). That is why the banned all English teams. Liverpool were given extra because it was they who were involved at Heysel. It was the correct decision all around in my opinion.

Do you think clubs such as Oxford United, Luton Town, Sheff Wed, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United, Spurs, Derby, Forest, Coventry, Wimbledon, Norwich, Arsenal etc should have got some sort of financial compensation from Liverpool for making them miss out on European Football?

[Anfield Kopite]

No. because if you read my post Heysel was the final straw not the sole reason for the ban. If it was the sole reason then only Liverpool would have been banned. As it was, Liverpool were given extra (3 years more which may have been reduced to 2 i think). As for who payed the biggest penalty for the ban it was probably Liverpool who at the time were the most succesful team in Europe having won the European Cup 4 times in 8 seasons but have never returned to that status since.

[No Fixed Abode]

I think your neighbours Everton paid the highest price imo - missing out on 2 European Cup campaigns. You got them banned, so can't really say you paid the biggest penalty.