We're ManchesteROFL United, we do what we want

[Sanguine]

When is a ref going to notice that Smalling spends most of the game trying to claim the opponent's shirt rather than waiting for the game to finish? .

He's definitely got a bit of the Lovrens about him. There was that patch at the start of the season maybe three years ago (?) where the refs went in hard on shirt-pulling and wrestling, particularly at set-pieces, but that lasted about two weeks before, it seems, the PL decided that too many penalties were being given.

[BR0B0T]

When is a ref going to notice that Smalling spends most of the game trying to claim the opponent's shirt rather than waiting for the game to finish? .

He's definitely got a bit of the Lovrens about him. There was that patch at the start of the season maybe three years ago (?) where the refs went in hard on shirt-pulling and wrestling, particularly at set-pieces, but that lasted about two weeks before, it seems, the PL decided that too many penalties were being given.

The shirt pulling gets a lot of comment in Utd circles...pen/sending_off waiting to happen

What would you make the rule re. shirt pulling?
Pull back...always a foul,
pulling/pushing sideways not so sure

both doing it?

[Hoop Blah]

both doing it?

That's blatantly a free kick for City.

[Sanguine]

Where both are doing it, or there's arms going everywhere in the penalty box, I think the benefit should always go to the attacking team. As much as that crackdown a few seasons back saw a spate of early season penalties, I think it would improve the game if that initiative was continued until the practice was eliminated.

[Old Man Andrews]

Just wow.

[The Enfield Royal71]

Psg have nobody but themselves to blame for that

Was the pen harsh? Maybe but seen them given for less.

No matter how much I h8 united it feels gr8 to stick it to that utter pcunt neymaROFL. Diving crybaby prima-donnna arrogant pr1ck.

[WoodleyRoyal]

Psg have nobody but themselves to blame for that

Was the pen harsh? Maybe but seen them given for less.

No matter how much I h8 united it feels gr8 to stick it to that utter pcunt neymaROFL. Diving crybaby prima-donnna arrogant pr1ck.

First time I’ve ever +’d 1 you

[Hendo]

Could OGS go and do a RdM?

[Victor Meldrew]

Congratulations to Man Utd even if they were more jammy than when they fluked it in the final of 1999.
Hopefully Brobot will have survived the tension and excitement.

30% possession is clearly the way forward for this team, following games at Chelsea, at home to Liverpool and then again last night.
It was the way Mourinho played (and much criticised for), it is the way teams like Brighton, Burnley and Palace play but it is so different from Man Utd teams of the past-Mourinho on a number of occasions and Conti a year after winning the League with Chelsea were both sacked for playing this way.

I suppose the difference with Ole is that his players are showing more desire and that is why this method has been successful-the same goes for teams like Brighton, Burnley and Palace but their successes are over very short periods whereas in Man Utd's case with much better players the success has been for longer.

Who will the jammy buggers get next?
Which is the lowest rated side left, Porto?

Brobot is the one Man Utd fan on here and he must have a smile on his face today-results (not performances) like this make it all worthwhile.

[Hendo]

30% possession is clearly the way forward for this team, following games at Chelsea, at home to Liverpool and then again last night.
It was the way Mourinho played (and much criticised for), it is the way teams like Brighton, Burnley and Palace play

It isn't really though, is it? They are playing a totally different style to JM and are actually free to attack.

You have picked 3 examples which have mitigating factors. Chelsea and PSG - away games to two high quality sides & Liverpool - their game plan goes totally out of the window by having to make 3 subs in the first 45 minutes.

[Victor Meldrew]

30% possession is clearly the way forward for this team, following games at Chelsea, at home to Liverpool and then again last night.
It was the way Mourinho played (and much criticised for), it is the way teams like Brighton, Burnley and Palace play

It isn't really though, is it? They are playing a totally different style to JM and are actually free to attack.

You have picked 3 examples which have mitigating factors. Chelsea and PSG - away games to two high quality sides & Liverpool - their game plan goes totally out of the window by having to make 3 subs in the first 45 minutes.

They might be free to attack but (ask Brobot) do they?

[Hendo]

30% possession is clearly the way forward for this team, following games at Chelsea, at home to Liverpool and then again last night.
It was the way Mourinho played (and much criticised for), it is the way teams like Brighton, Burnley and Palace play

It isn't really though, is it? They are playing a totally different style to JM and are actually free to attack.

You have picked 3 examples which have mitigating factors. Chelsea and PSG - away games to two high quality sides & Liverpool - their game plan goes totally out of the window by having to make 3 subs in the first 45 minutes.

They might be free to attack but (ask Brobot) do they?

Well seeing as they have scored 39 goals in 17 games since OGS took over at an average of 2.29 goals per game, I would say yes. I don't know what the JM stats were, but I would guess they weren't that good.

[Sanguine]

Not sure VM why you've tried to damn them with faint praise - United have been brilliant under Solskjaer, and possession stats were as much to do with the fact that they were away at a class side in PSG as anything else. The United side is not recognisable from the mess that Mourinho left - what an appointment this has been. A 4th place finish in the league looks not just possible now but likely, and who knows, they might even win the CL.

[Victor Meldrew]

It isn't really though, is it? They are playing a totally different style to JM and are actually free to attack.

You have picked 3 examples which have mitigating factors. Chelsea and PSG - away games to two high quality sides & Liverpool - their game plan goes totally out of the window by having to make 3 subs in the first 45 minutes.

They might be free to attack but (ask Brobot) do they?

Well seeing as they have scored 39 goals in 17 games since OGS took over at an average of 2.29 goals per game, I would say yes. I don't know what the JM stats were, but I would guess they weren't that good.

That includes 5 at Cardiff and 3 at home to bottom 4 club Saints, 3 v Palace and 3 v Fulham so maybe not so special as first appears.

Suffice to say IMHO they sit back and play on the break (did you see the Saints game?) which is so different from Man Utd of old but it is working for Ole.

[Victor Meldrew]

Not sure VM why you've tried to damn them with faint praise - United have been brilliant under Solskjaer, and possession stats were as much to do with the fact that they were away at a class side in PSG as anything else. The United side is not recognisable from the mess that Mourinho left - what an appointment this has been. A 4th place finish in the league looks not just possible now but likely, and who knows, they might even win the CL.

Yes, if they maintain 4 shots on target but score 3 they might well do it.

The first inept leg of a few weeks ago (under Ole) has been quickly forgotten-that night PSG did not gift them 3 goals but last night they did.
The side is recognisable as they are the same players but they are trying so much harder albeit in the same system.

[BR0B0T]

Vic, choose just one of your starting front six (assuming 4-3-3)...

You also can't play the next two best players in those positions (e.g Shaquiri or Origi)

Remove your best player... let's say VVD (Pogba for utd)

...and put two teenagers on the bench to try and win the game

against the 3rd fav away whilst currently 2-0 down!

Piece of piss!

[Hendo]

They might be free to attack but (ask Brobot) do they?

Well seeing as they have scored 39 goals in 17 games since OGS took over at an average of 2.29 goals per game, I would say yes. I don't know what the JM stats were, but I would guess they weren't that good.

That includes 5 at Cardiff and 3 at home to bottom 4 club Saints, 3 v Palace and 3 v Fulham so maybe not so special as first appears.

Suffice to say IMHO they sit back and play on the break (did you see the Saints game?) which is so different from Man Utd of old but it is working for Ole.

Any how many goals have Liverpool scored against the same opponents? I note that Utd have scored on 6 less goals than Liverpool. If anything defending is their main problem, as opposed to going forward.

They might play on the break, but they play quickly on the break take chances which result in better goal scoring opportunities (which could indicate why they are rather efficient when it comes to shots on target v goals scored) that is the difference here.

[Victor Meldrew]

Well seeing as they have scored 39 goals in 17 games since OGS took over at an average of 2.29 goals per game, I would say yes. I don't know what the JM stats were, but I would guess they weren't that good.

That includes 5 at Cardiff and 3 at home to bottom 4 club Saints, 3 v Palace and 3 v Fulham so maybe not so special as first appears.

Suffice to say IMHO they sit back and play on the break (did you see the Saints game?) which is so different from Man Utd of old but it is working for Ole.

Any how many goals have Liverpool scored against the same opponents? I note that Utd have scored on 6 less goals than Liverpool. If anything defending is their main problem, as opposed to going forward.

They might play on the break, but they play quickly on the break take chances which result in better goal scoring opportunities (which could indicate why they are rather efficient when it comes to shots on target v goals scored) that is the difference here.

Fine, I hope their fans are happy with what they are watching-Brobot clearly hasn't been from his earlier comments or is everything rosy Brobot now that the exalted 4th position is a possibility?

[Hendo]

That includes 5 at Cardiff and 3 at home to bottom 4 club Saints, 3 v Palace and 3 v Fulham so maybe not so special as first appears.

Suffice to say IMHO they sit back and play on the break (did you see the Saints game?) which is so different from Man Utd of old but it is working for Ole.

Any how many goals have Liverpool scored against the same opponents? I note that Utd have scored on 6 less goals than Liverpool. If anything defending is their main problem, as opposed to going forward.

They might play on the break, but they play quickly on the break take chances which result in better goal scoring opportunities (which could indicate why they are rather efficient when it comes to shots on target v goals scored) that is the difference here.

Fine, I hope their fans are happy with what they are watching-Brobot clearly hasn't been from his earlier comments or is everything rosy Brobot now that the exalted 4th position is a possibility?

Seeing as if the league table had started when OGS took charge, Utd would be top, I would say they are probably pretty happy.

[Victor Meldrew]

Any how many goals have Liverpool scored against the same opponents? I note that Utd have scored on 6 less goals than Liverpool. If anything defending is their main problem, as opposed to going forward.

They might play on the break, but they play quickly on the break take chances which result in better goal scoring opportunities (which could indicate why they are rather efficient when it comes to shots on target v goals scored) that is the difference here.

Fine, I hope their fans are happy with what they are watching-Brobot clearly hasn't been from his earlier comments or is everything rosy Brobot now that the exalted 4th position is a possibility?

Seeing as if the league table had started when OGS took charge, Utd would be top, I would say they are probably pretty happy.

I would sooner hear what Brobot has to say.
You haven't factored in the easy ride of fixtures Ole had.