John Terry

[Tredder]

Reading the timeline:

Terry admits saying it

Terrys defence saying he was provoked

Terrys defence trying to find out, other than the Bridge comment, was else was said

Anton states he did not hear Terry say that, and only knew when his missus showed him footage from youtube.

Despite not being there, Ashley Cole has the golden line, "you can't speak to JT like that?"

I'm no court expert, but the fact JT has admitted calling Anton a black c***, is guilt enough to be prosecuted?

[Simon's Church]

You're not having a very good day on this thread del boy!

if Terry says he said "I didn't call you a black cvnt" or whatever but also says he was being sarcastic, doesn't that mean he actually did call him a black cvnt?

Anyway, the sooner the blight of sarcasm is wiped out of the game the better

The sarcasm's getting worse, Ferdinand has told the court 'I'm a winner'

[TBM]

Poor Wayne Bridge - the lad has done no wrong and is once again being dragged in to something non-related

[soggy biscuit]

You're not having a very good day on this thread del boy!

if Terry says he said "I didn't call you a black cvnt" or whatever but also says he was being sarcastic, doesn't that mean he actually did call him a black cvnt?

Anyway, the sooner the blight of sarcasm is wiped out of the game the better

The sarcasm's getting worse, Ferdinand has told the court 'I'm a winner'

Hope the judge ALOLIC

[who are ya?]

lol @ AF saying he didn't elbow JT in the neck, then a video being shown in court of him elbowing him in the neck

FootbaLOLLOLers

[BrockManson]

Wonder what will happen if he's found guilty.

Suarez got an 8-game ban for his 'negrito' comment so Terry should really be looking at a lengthy ban...

[cmonurz]

If he's found guilty I expect the FA to level the same punishment at him.

If he's found not guilty......can, worms, everywhere.

[Silver Fox]

If he's found not guilty I fully expect the FA to complete their own investigation, something they've not been able to do because of the court case

[cmonurz]

Whilst they would of course be separate cases, given Terry admits what he said (like Suarez did), won't this current trial determine whether or not what Terry said is deemed to be racist, in the same way as the FA's case against Suarez did?

If Terry is found not guilty, I can't see the FA will be able to pin much on him than 'bringing the game into disrepute', or similar.

[Tredder]

How can he be found not guilty, he's admitted he said it, to be followed by his QC trying to gauge why he said it, thus the series of questions to Anton.

Provocation is no defence to racist remarks.

[TFF]

Yeah, but he said it Sarcastically innit

[Seal]

How can he be found not guilty, he's admitted he said it, to be followed by his QC trying to gauge why he said it, thus the series of questions to Anton.

Provocation is no defence to racist remarks.

Because his defence is he was quoting back to Anton in denial.

[Maguire]

Provocation is no defence to racist remarks. E, E, EDL, E, E, EDL

[Mr Angry]

Wonder what will happen if he's found guilty.

Suarez got an 8-game ban for his 'negrito' comment so Terry should really be looking at a lengthy ban...

As mentioned earlier in the thread, if he IS found guilty my understanding is that because the offence occurred at a football ground as well as the maximum £2500 fine there are further sanctions open to the Court including a ban from all grounds in the top 5 Divisions in England for 3 Years and having to surrender his passport whenever England play abroad.

If that punishment is meted out should he be found guilty, then it makes any FA ban a bit superfluous, although I suspect that - as he is a celebrity - he won't get that punishment.

[Extended-Phenotype]

How can he be found not guilty, he's admitted he said it, to be followed by his QC trying to gauge why he said it, thus the series of questions to Anton.

Provocation is no defence to racist remarks.

Because his defence is he was quoting back to Anton in denial.

I didn't say that's f/cking bullshit.

[cmonurz]

As Terry sat in the glass panelled dock, Ferdinand stood in the witness box opposite. He told the court: "He called me a cnut, and I called him a cnut back. And he gave me a gesture as if to say my breath smelled.

"I said to him: 'How can you call me a cnut? You shagged your team-mate's missus, you're a cnut'."

This was a reference to Terry's alleged affair with his then team-mate Wayne Bridge's ex-girlfriend Vanessa Perroncel.

As Ferdinand jogged down the pitch, he made a "slow fist pump" gesture with his right hand, indicating sex. After the match, the Chelsea left-back Ashley Cole told him: "You can't talk to JT like that."

Ferdinand was asked to meet Terry in the away team's dressing room. He said Terry asked him: "Do you think I racially abused you?"

Ferdinand told the court: "I was like: 'No.' I said: 'No, that never came out of my mouth.'" He said Cole then said: "Yeah, didn't you say that to me?" Ferdinand added: "I said: 'I didn't say that at all.'"

Ferdinand said he and Terry had agreed the incident was "just handbags" – or banter.

But at around 7pm, one hour after the game ended, Ferdinand went to the QPR players' lounge. "My girlfriend at the time said to me, did John Terry racially abuse me. I looked at her like she was crazy and said no."

She then showed him footage sent to her BlackBerry from YouTube, Ferdinand said, and he believed a racist term had been used.

Terry denies a racially aggravated public order offence and claims he was only sarcastically repeating what Ferdinand wrongly thought he had said.



Love the bit in bold.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

.....

This is captain of the England football team and it reads like a transcript of a Jeremy Kyle show!

[Mr Angry]

.....

This was the former captain of the England football team and it reads like a transcript of a Jeremy Kyle show!

Amended for you.

[Tredder]

Provocation is no defence to racist remarks. E, E, EDL, E, E, EDL

You're better than that.