Jimmy Kebe

[melonhead]

So Jimmy says "I will never refuse to train or play"....except for the last time he wanted to move clubs.

Also from that interview, he expects to walk into the team the moment he decides that he is fit, despite not having played since March.

hang on a sec. which is it?

is he fully fit, and being frozen out, or is he getting back to match fitness, and is being managed?

[RoyalinBracknell]

The fact is, he reckons he was fit on Saturday. If that was the case, he SHOULD have at least made the bench on Saturday.

Why?

[Barry the bird boggler]

He may have been fit in his mind last week but he hasn't played since March and he hardly has a brilliant injury record so the club can be excused for not selecting him immediately.

If he was fit last week and was told he'd be playing in last nights game why does he call in on Monday saying he isn't fit? If that's true he couldn't have played before yesterday anyway so he's hoisted by his own petard methinks.

Hope Palace land him shortly....

[melonhead]

The fact is, he reckons he was fit on Saturday. If that was the case, he SHOULD have at least made the bench on Saturday. Instead, he was told by Adkins that he wouldn't be playing him, nor would he even be travelling with the team but that he would be playing in a cup game which Adkins, clearly, wasn't even taking seriously. So, I actually back Jimmy here - he must be extremely frustrated.

fit =/= match fit

[Hoop Blah]

The fact is, he reckons he was fit on Saturday. If that was the case, he SHOULD have at least made the bench on Saturday. Instead, he was told by Adkins that he wouldn't be playing him, nor would he even be travelling with the team but that he would be playing in a cup game which Adkins, clearly, wasn't even taking seriously. So, I actually back Jimmy here - he must be extremely frustrated.

Kebe has always been a player who takes a long time to get back up to speed/form when he retuns from injury.

We had 5 wingers in the squad on Saturday, all of them have played a decent part in our reasonable start to the season. I think Adkins is well within his rights to tell Jimmy that he's not walking straight back into the squad without proving his fitness or sharpness in last nights game.

[Isaac Hunt]

The fact is, he reckons he was fit on Saturday. If that was the case, he SHOULD have at least made the bench on Saturday.

Why should he? He reckons he's only been fit for the past week or so.....he hasn't been "fit" to play since March ffs! No pre-season, no games.....

Last night would have been the perfect run out for him.

[melonhead]

Kebe's been here 5 years. Adkins has been here 5 months. I know who I believe.

So you are accusing Adkins of being a liar when he said Kebe phoned him on Monday saying he was unfit to play having been told he might well be chosen to play Tuesday and told Radio Berks on air he was fit and raring to go on Saturday?

"I felt my hamstring tweak on Monday and felt it better not to risk it," Kebe confirmed to BBC Sport.

I believe Jimmy.

me too.

and a bit disappointed by adkins calling him out over his fitness/health etc.
very bad management doing it in public etc.
probably enough for some sort of reparation in another walk of life

[melonhead]

You haven't looked very hard then Hoop Bleurgh.

If Kebe has refused to play, which according to him he hasn't, then he should be dealt with accordingly and hopefully the club will do a better job of getting rid than they did with the last trouble maker.

Jimmy's done exactly the same as Guthrie - he's just been smarter about it.

In that, if all is correct, Kebe appears to be forcing a move out of the club.

The Guthrie affair, whilst unprofessional and foolish, appeared to lack an ulterior motive and seemed simply a result of a relationship breakdown.

the latter appeared to be teh result of blind oxf*rd stupidity imo

[Royalclapper]

What's up? Has somebody burst Jimmy's ego?

[Hoop Blah]

Palace can make all the enquiries and bids they want, doesn't mean we were planning on selling him or he wanted to go.... and if that was the reason, don't you think that either a) Palace would be put off thinking he's injured or b) he'd have a medical with them and risk being proved a liar - which would damage his credibility with not only his former club's fans but with his future club's fans? Why risk all that?

Of course Palace wouldn't be put off by him pulling out of the game with a slight hamstring twinge. They'd know all to well it was made up and, as you say, any real fears about his fitness would come out in the medical.

In terms of being proved a liar, he won't care if he gets his move and he'll just proclaim his innocence saying it cleared up. He's already said in those quotes that it was a slight twinge and he wanted to ensure he's fit for the weekend. If he were to play the next game it wouldn't mean he was lieing, it would mean his rest last night meant he was fit.

He's not risking anything that matters to him.

[Lower West]

and a bit disappointed by adkins calling him out over his fitness/health etc.
very bad management doing it in public etc.
probably enough for some sort of reparation in another walk of life

Frustration perhaps on Atkins part........

Rooney so obviously not happy at Man Utd. Yet still turns out and plays like a pro.

Kebe rings in sick. Time to go.

[Cypry]

I find it unbelievable that some people think that a player who has just regained fitness, and hasn't played a competitive game in six months should be a shoe in for a starter, or even on the bench as soon as he declares himself recovered. Ever heard of match fitness?

Seems to me that Kebe decided he wanted out when Brian left - Adkins told the press he could have helped us stay up, perhaps that was a slightly barbed comment indicating that perhaps the club felt that he wasn't putting 100% into recovery at the back end of last season? As for this weeks developments, strikes me the player is pushing for a move, and didn't want to risk himself in a "meaningless" game. Adkins was asked about the situation directly by Dellor, so I'm not convinced that he could be said to be trying to deflect attention from last nights result - to me he just came across as frustrated with the whole situation.
Given that we now have Drenthe, McLeary, McAnuff, HRK and Obita competing for 2 places, I'm fairly sure that the club has been resigned to Kebe going for some time....

[P!ssed Off]

This is what I told you yesterday and you accused me of making things up.
The only thing Adkins had to gain from his 'candour' was to distract the blame from the club's biggest loss in over a decade and shift the attention on to Kebe.

No: I think it was an error of judgement, you think it was a strategy.

I don't think Adkins has to manufacture interest in Jimmy Kebe.

Having listened to Adkins interviews with Dellor recently Adkins does not come across as the type to accidentally stumble into giving an answer.

If he didn't want to answer 5 questions about Jimmy Kebe, he wouldn't have IMO.
I don't buy the 'he was asked therefore had to answer' nonsense. If he hadn't wanted to go in to the matter in detail at that particular moment, then he wouldn't have.

[Lower West]

I find it unbelievable that some people think that a player who has just regained fitness, and hasn't played a competitive game in six months should be a shoe in for a starter, or even on the bench as soon as he declares himself recovered. Ever heard of match fitness?

Kebe was told last Friday that he was playing last night. Kebe declared himself unfit on Monday by making a phone call.

[RoyalinBracknell]

This is what I told you yesterday and you accused me of making things up.
The only thing Adkins had to gain from his 'candour' was to distract the blame from the club's biggest loss in over a decade and shift the attention on to Kebe.

No: I think it was an error of judgement, you think it was a strategy.

I don't think Adkins has to manufacture interest in Jimmy Kebe.

Having listened to Adkins interviews with Dellor recently Adkins does not come across as the type to accidentally stumble into giving an answer.

If he didn't want to answer 5 questions about Jimmy Kebe, he wouldn't have IMO.
I don't buy the 'he was asked therefore had to answer' nonsense. If he hadn't wanted to go in to the matter in detail at that particular moment, then he wouldn't have.

I do kind of agree - he could have just said that Kebe wasn't fit, which - to be fair - I'm sure we'd all have believed readily enough.

[Hoop Blah]

If he didn't want to answer 5 questions about Jimmy Kebe, he wouldn't have IMO.
I don't buy the 'he was asked therefore had to answer' nonsense. If he hadn't wanted to go in to the matter in detail at that particular moment, then he wouldn't have.

Agreed, he could've avoided it and skirted round the subject if he really wanted to.

He obviously feels let down by Kebe and didn't want to avoid it in exactly the same way as McDermott did with Guthrie.

[RoyalBlue]

No: I think it was an error of judgement, you think it was a strategy.

I don't think Adkins has to manufacture interest in Jimmy Kebe.

Having listened to Adkins interviews with Dellor recently Adkins does not come across as the type to accidentally stumble into giving an answer.

If he didn't want to answer 5 questions about Jimmy Kebe, he wouldn't have IMO.
I don't buy the 'he was asked therefore had to answer' nonsense. If he hadn't wanted to go in to the matter in detail at that particular moment, then he wouldn't have.

I do kind of agree - he could have just said that Kebe wasn't fit, which - to be fair - I'm sure we'd all have believed readily enough.

After Kebe (who never wants to give interviews) had taken it upon himself to ring BBCRB on Saturday to state that he had been fully fit for two weeks but not selected to play? Why should the manager lie to cover up for that barsteward? I'm glad that for once a manager told things exactly how they were, including how Kebe could have helped keep us up last year had he not been 'injured'.

[Colin Cheeselog]

I do kind of agree - he could have just said that Kebe wasn't fit, which - to be fair - I'm sure we'd all have believed readily enough.

Adkins explained exactly what happened. I don't see a problem with that. He shouldn't have to protect Kebe.

[melonhead]

What's up? Has somebody burst Jimmy's ego?

someone with a far far bigger one?

jimmy has always come across as a meek and humble guy, he just wants to heal the world, and make it a better place

[melonhead]

and a bit disappointed by adkins calling him out over his fitness/health etc.
very bad management doing it in public etc.
probably enough for some sort of reparation in another walk of life

Frustration perhaps on Atkins part........

Rooney so obviously not happy at Man Utd. Yet still turns out and plays like a pro.

Kebe rings in sick. Time to go.

or hes sick