Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[Svlad Cjelli]

Recognising that it was inevitable =/= being happy with a club moving

or am I missing a point here?

Saying he was happy with club A moving into the area = saying he was happy with any club moving into the area, according to PL rules.

If you accept the principle of another club there, you can't specify which one it is.

[papereyes]

Nah, the point I'm trying to make is still there.

There's certainly a difference between being happy and "if its going to happen, can it at least be this way, please?".

Although - legally? No idea.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Must, FSF etc are all idiots. Mugs who 20 years ago wouldn't have got any where near hardcore supporters who now actually want a say in running things, ironically the subjects that they claim to stand against are the only reason why they have a voice at all.

Take MUST for example. The whole anti Glazer uprising was nothing at all to do with them, the real lead figures hate them but MUST still actually think they're doing a good job. Sending pointless emails and jumping on the red issue green and gold bang wagon is not a good job.

Same with the FSF. Meetings held, nothing achieved but they all pat each other on the back and go home happy.

If you wanna give football back to the fans walk around the pubs of Salford on matchdays. Only you'll get kicked out after 2 mins as your characters aren't strong enough.

So what exactly have these real fans in pubs achieved with regards to getting the Glazers out?

[Mr Angry]

Weren't FC Lyn Oslo where John Obi Mikel came from? If it is them, they made a fortune out of that transfer iirc!

Yep! That would be them. Involved in shady dealings with Nigerian scammers. Their former DOF Morgan Andersen is a shady character. Not a word that came out of his mouth was the truth.
For example, he has recently been employed by a icehockey club.
During a recent media interview he claimed that he had the opportunity to buy Kevin Doyle and Shane Long, when he was DOF at FC Lyn Oslo, but "the coach didn't think they were good enough".
Only problem was that he was only hired as DOF there approx 6 months after they were already signed by RFC.. which I was kind enough to write an e-mail to the journalist and point out. This paragraph was then promptly removed from the article online
IMHO he concocted this "brilliant" lie to try to portray himself as very very clever, but this time it seemed to only expose him as more of a fraud than people already think he is. Morgan Andersen was in 2008 convicted of document forgery and making false allegations to the police, both incidents relate directly to the John Obi Mikel transfer.

Nice one re: pointing out his BS to a journo!!



Good to see that England has no monopoly on dodgy football club owners!

[Ian Royal]

Sorry everyone. And there's too much known about my job already for much in the way of hints. It's early doors still right now so if it becomes more publicly available info (not the same as publicised) I'll drop a bit more.

People at work know I post on a football forum at lunch time sometimes so I don't want to take the risk someone checks up on me, I'd definitely lose my job.

More may be apparent come end of next week depending on what me and a colleague do. On leave tomorrow and friday so had to pass this over to her to run with for now.

Sorry for being a tease. And pming won't work.

It's more lol worthy than deeply interesting or juicy gossip.

[prostak]

You're more of a tease than Dirk

[Svlad Cjelli]

Football clubs from the Premier League and Football League owed the taxman £22m in “simple” taxes – PAYE, NI, and VAT - at the end of last tax year, April 2010, according to findings from a Freedom of Information request by Sporting Intelligence.

The Premier League’s 20 clubs owed £14.4m between them while the Football League’s 72 clubs collectively owed £7.4m. The outstanding or overdue taxes owed to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) by football clubs were:

•Premier League (20 clubs) £14,407,106
•Championship (24 clubs) £6,412,370
•League One (24 clubs) £461,859
•League Two (24 clubs) £534,242
•Conference (68 clubs) £344,955
Most recent full year figures available, to end of 2009-10 tax year

According to Sporting Intelligence HMRC sought winding up petitions against 19 clubs in 2010, named as: Accrington Stanley, AFC Bournemouth, Bishop Stortford, Cardiff City, Chester City, Crawley, Crystal Palace, Dorchester Town, Forest Green Rovers, Hinckley United, Ilkeston Town, Lewes, Notts County, Plymouth Argyle, Portsmouth, Preston North End, Sheffield Wednesday, Southend United, Welling United.

Full story : http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/22m-tax-debt-for-football-at-financial-year-end.php

[Uke]

Sorry everyone. And there's too much known about my job already for much in the way of hints. It's early doors still right now so if it becomes more publicly available info (not the same as publicised) I'll drop a bit more.

People at work know I post on a football forum at lunch time sometimes so I don't want to take the risk someone checks up on me, I'd definitely lose my job.

More may be apparent come end of next week depending on what me and a colleague do. On leave tomorrow and friday so had to pass this over to her to run with for now.

Sorry for being a tease. And pming won't work.

It's more lol worthy than deeply interesting or juicy gossip.

Cambridge Utd don't have a sprinkler permit?

[T.R.O.L.I.]

[Barry the bird boggler]

Sorry everyone. And there's too much known about my job already for much in the way of hints. It's early doors still right now so if it becomes more publicly available info (not the same as publicised) I'll drop a bit more.

People at work know I post on a football forum at lunch time sometimes so I don't want to take the risk someone checks up on me, I'd definitely lose my job.

More may be apparent come end of next week depending on what me and a colleague do. On leave tomorrow and friday so had to pass this over to her to run with for now.

Sorry for being a tease. And pming won't work.

It's more lol worthy than deeply interesting or juicy gossip.

Cambridge Utd don't have a sprinkler permit?

It's not entirely their fault they were told by a man that their sprinkler, Eric, didn't need a permit, however - being such a happy sprinkler - he was later easily detected by a sprinkler detector van - also called Eric - who subsequently reported them the the FA.

[Hoop Blah]

Football clubs from the Premier League and Football League owed the taxman £22m in “simple” taxes – PAYE, NI, and VAT - at the end of last tax year, April 2010, according to findings from a Freedom of Information request by Sporting Intelligence.

The Premier League’s 20 clubs owed £14.4m between them while the Football League’s 72 clubs collectively owed £7.4m. The outstanding or overdue taxes owed to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) by football clubs were:

•Premier League (20 clubs) £14,407,106
•Championship (24 clubs) £6,412,370
•League One (24 clubs) £461,859
•League Two (24 clubs) £534,242
•Conference (68 clubs) £344,955
Most recent full year figures available, to end of 2009-10 tax year

According to Sporting Intelligence HMRC sought winding up petitions against 19 clubs in 2010, named as: Accrington Stanley, AFC Bournemouth, Bishop Stortford, Cardiff City, Chester City, Crawley, Crystal Palace, Dorchester Town, Forest Green Rovers, Hinckley United, Ilkeston Town, Lewes, Notts County, Plymouth Argyle, Portsmouth, Preston North End, Sheffield Wednesday, Southend United, Welling United.

Full story : http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/22m-tax-debt-for-football-at-financial-year-end.php

What's that like in comparison to many other industries though? I'm sure the taxman is owed a a lot by other firms too but I've no idea on the extent of it. These kind of things are great for headlines but without perspective they mean very little.

[Ian Royal]

Sorry everyone. And there's too much known about my job already for much in the way of hints. It's early doors still right now so if it becomes more publicly available info (not the same as publicised) I'll drop a bit more.

People at work know I post on a football forum at lunch time sometimes so I don't want to take the risk someone checks up on me, I'd definitely lose my job.

More may be apparent come end of next week depending on what me and a colleague do. On leave tomorrow and friday so had to pass this over to her to run with for now.

Sorry for being a tease. And pming won't work.

It's more lol worthy than deeply interesting or juicy gossip.

Cambridge Utd don't have a sprinkler permit?

[Svlad Cjelli]

Very intersting that they've picked Steve Coppell & Martin O'Neill to give evidence to the DCMS enquiry - two manager out of work, with no bosses to answer to, and who are both intelligent and forthright. Should be a cracker!

Culture, Media and Sport Committee
Select Committee Announcement

18 March 2011
For Immediate Release:

FOOTBALL GOVERNANCE: EVIDENCE SESSION
The Culture, Media and Sport Committee will hold its next evidence session on Tuesday, 22nd March as part of its inquiry into Football Governance.

The Committee will hear from two panels.
Details are as follows: Tuesday 22 March, Thatcher Room, Portcullis House
Witnesses:
At 10.45am:
Ian Watmore, former Chief Executive of the Football Association

At 11.45am:
Richard Bevan, Chief Executive, League Managers Association
Martin O’Neill OBE, former manager of Aston Villa
Steve Coppell, former manager of Reading
For more details on the inquiry please see the Committee’s website: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/committee-launches-a-new-inquiry-on-football-governance/

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[Tony Le Mesmer]

Plymouth Players and staff asked to defer their wages for March and April.

At what point are the players free to leave if they aren't paid? And will the players be insured if they carry on playing?

[Svlad Cjelli]

At a certain point the PFA step in and assist, but as they've already done that twice this season I wonder how long that can go on for.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Plymouth launch desperate appeal for items they can auction for cash

http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10364~2312161,00.html

[roadrunner]

Plymouth launch desperate appeal for items they can auction for cash

http://www.pafc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10364~2312161,00.html

CALLING football fans everywhere.

This is an unashamed plea for help.

Plymouth Argyle Football Club is in administration.

There is a very real danger that it could go under - and that 124 years of history, and a place at the very heart of the Westcountry community, could disappear overnight.

That's not scaremongering. We need to raise cash - quickly.

And that's where you come in.

We plan to hold an auction of football and sporting memorabilia to raise the cash that we need so urgently.

We've already got some auction items of our own, including a 1986 FA Cup loser's medal generously donated by Peter Reid (thanks, gaffer).


Insert Portsmouth and every other club previously in administration template. Deadlines extended, extended again, extended again, club miraculously saved at the eleventh hour.

Nobody learns from it and we wait for the next club.

I know it's harsh on the webbed footed country bumpkins in Plymouth, but the sooner a club (in the modern tv money era) goes under, the better.

[Royal Marine]

Nothing will happen to them. Same old story. I just hope they get relegated as that is likely to be the biggest punishment coming to them.

[Ian Royal]

Nothing will happen to them. Same old story. I just hope they get relegated as that is likely to be the biggest punishment coming to them.

Plymouth are small enough to go under, and not desirable for a big rescue bid either.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I know it's harsh on the webbed footed country bumpkins in Plymouth, but the sooner a club (in the modern tv money era) goes under, the better.

Even if they did go under, what's the big deal? Pretty soon they would just form a new club called "AFC Plymouth" or whatever, use the same logo, same colors, play in the same stadium, etc.. difference being they'd have to play in a much lower division.

It depends on whether Home Park is included in the assets of any wound up company.

If it is then the creditors get to sell the land, and AFC Plymouth share with some amateur team. In that case, they certainly won't come back for decades.