Stadium Expansion

[Scarface]

I've read the article in the evening post and believe it or not the seats effected start immediately to my left. I wonder if my view is slighty impared the club will offer me a new seat, or will it only be the actual seats that are lost.

Not sure I want to sit right next to a box potentially full of prawn sandwich munchers and potentially away fans who are guests in a box.

I suppose I'll have to wait and see

[Behindu]

We don't know if anyone will be affected,

We do,

We don't....
The OS article is jammed pack full of 'mays'. The club have confirmed they are looking at the possibilty, not that it is happening.

and we don;t know in what way they might be or what alternatives will be on offer. If it happens and if the offer is of a seat say 10 rows further back is that 'far less desireable' ?

I make it nearer 15 rows. What are these "alternatives", a discount to join the well heeled, or a move somewhere else altogether. Either way it's a move I don't want to make.[/quote]

You quibble over one or two rows ? And the original post said it affected 6 rows containing 60 seats each (that's 360 people or 1.5% of the crowd). Not disputing the fact that anyone who may be affected needs ot know, but those are not big numbers and so far the signs aren't that a majority object.

And just becasue you personally don;t want it doesn;t make it the wrong thing to do.

Bearing in mind people chose their current seats based on the OLD design is it not possible that a seat slightly higher up might be just as 'desireable' if looked at a bit less emotionally and in the context of the new layout ?

I don't think close to doubling the distance to the pitch could be described as slightly.
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Are you 'close to doubling' your 'nearer to 15' number ? I don;t think chucking random numbers around helps. Personally I moved from about Row K to a few rows from tha back a few seasons ago and believe it or not the view is just as good !

As ever, I do sympathise with people who feel they may be asked to move but some of the language and assumptions seem a bit wide of the mark.

How do you know they are wide of the mark, if you have some better facts than the plans then please share them?[/quote]

People have assumed :
- there is a fixed and firm plan
- that it is for boxes
- that it includes huge numbers of people
- that any new area is for someone other than 'normal' fans
- that the club don't care about the fans
- that they have a right to occupy a certain seat in perpetuity
- that sitting in any other seat is by definition a bad thing
- that ranting on HNA is better than finding out the facts
- that the much needed expansion of the stadium can be carried out without the existing STH being asked to accept some changes

I've always said I am sympathetic to people who may be asked to move but I also think that there is going to need to be give and take. An entrenched attitude of 'I've sat here for a few years and I'm not moving whatever you say' is not going to win the day, especially if it a view only held by a relatively small number of people (pending evidence to prove the contrary)

[PieEater]

Quoting within quotes is getting too hard so I'll try to respond in order.

The OS article says "We can guarantee that any supporter whose current seat may become unavailable would be compensated and given first priority on selecting a new seat". To me saying "may" means it is pending planning permission. If planning permission is granted your seat is history. The only reason it wont happen if a Gallowgate type row escalates and causes the club so much bad PR that they will rethink the plans, so I assume the "wait and see approach" is to make sure it's all too late to change by the time the reality becomes clear.

If its 6 rows affected, X to DD, then X goes to (new) LL, I make that 14 rows. The point is it's not the couple of rows back that people think it is and it's worse if you're in row DD already.

As for your seat at the back, that may not be there either, replaced by a new stairwell. It's looks like a few seats in rows HH-KK in every block will be going too.

For the hospitality entrance I made it seats 120-190, plus the stairwells so its nearer 600 people, 7% of the east stand. You can quibble about the numbers, but how many people do you think it would need to affect before STAR decided to voice fans objections to the club? 51%?

[Royal Monk]

And the moaner of the month award goes to ...... PieEater.

Well done m8 lets see if you can make it next month too

[Behindu]

As for your seat at the back, that may not be there either, replaced by a new stairwell. It's looks like a few seats in rows HH-KK in every block will be going too.?

OK, if it happens it happens.
I know that my new seat will have a top class view of the action and won;t be far from where i sit now...

but how many people do you think it would need to affect before STAR decided to voice fans objections to the club? 51%?

No, STAR will be raising the issue I have no doubt. But it's not actually the role of STAR to voice your individual concern, i would expect STAR to find out the whole picture and the genuine view of fans first..

[RG30]

And the moaner of the month award goes to ...... PieEater.

Well done m8 lets see if you can make it next month too

RoyalBlue will be gutted to have lost his title

[westendgirl]

To me saying "may" means it is pending planning permission.

This quote and all the times in your previous quote when you said 'I assume' show that a lot of your conclusions are based solely on your reading of the situation despite several posts pointing out this not only may not be right but does not square with what they have been told. Chill out and wait at least for planning permission to be granted as RBC may not want all that extra traffic ....

[Behindu]

The OS article says "We can guarantee that any supporter whose current seat may become unavailable would be compensated and given first priority on selecting a new seat". To me saying "may" means it is pending planning permission. If planning permission is granted your seat is history. The only reason it wont happen if a Gallowgate type row escalates and causes the club so much bad PR that they will rethink the plans, so I assume the "wait and see approach" is to make sure it's all too late to change by the time the reality becomes clear.

The headline on the OS says 'potential' development, the article itself says the club is 'considering' the idea, it also 'stresses that it is too early to know which seats would be affected'. It states anyone who would be affected will be contacted individually.

I guess we can all interpret words as we like, and we can also draw our own conclusions as to how likely a plan is to happen. I would agree that it is probably more than just a pipe dream, but at the same time it isn't definitely happening.

There is no way a Gallowgate style row will happen. Partly because the situations are totally different - Newcastle reneged on a contractual agreement with their debenture holders, and IIRC were wanting to move them to a different area of the ground.

Have those who don't like the plan spoken to the club yet ? The number to contact is there and it would be interesting to know what people have been told - no one has come on here and posted any updates so either no one has taken up the club's offer to talk or they are keeping the results to themselves.

[PieEater]

... at the same time it isn't definitely happening..

It is definitely proposed in the planning submission, and therefore will happen if planning permission is granted.

Have those who don't like the plan spoken to the club yet ? The number to contact is there and it would be interesting to know what people have been told - no one has come on here and posted any updates so either no one has taken up the club's offer to talk or they are keeping the results to themselves ..

I have contacted the club. See my post at the start of this thread.

[PieEater]

To me saying "may" means it is pending planning permission.

This quote and all the times in your previous quote when you said 'I assume' show that a lot of your conclusions are based solely on your reading of the situation despite several posts pointing out this not only may not be right but does not square with what they have been told. Chill out and wait at least for planning permission to be granted as RBC may not want all that extra traffic ....

Not quite, no response to my posts has said that there will not be a block of existing seats going if the extension is built, we're being asked to wait and see if and where we're moved to before complaining. I have read the planning submission and looked at the planning drawings before drawing my own conclusions, my assumptions are not based on a flyer handed out a the last game.

[Wycombe Royal]

As for your seat at the back, that may not be there either, replaced by a new stairwell. It's looks like a few seats in rows HH-KK in every block will be going too.

Mine is probably one of those but if it has to go in order to facilitate the extension then so be it. I just hope that they offer prioirty choice on new seats to all people in a group, even if only some of the group are losing their seats. There are five of us that sit together but only 2 or 3 of us are likely to lose our seats to the new entrance area from the upper concourse. Hopefully all 5 of us would get prioirty choice of new seats.

[Z-Head]

Black spray paint anyone?

[G'La]

D-Day tomorrow!!!!

[Coppelled Streets]

D-Day tomorrow!!!!

Is it tomorrow? I thought I heard John Madejski in an interview recently say that we would have a decision by the end of May.

Fingers crossed. This is vital for our development at this level!

[Stranded]

D-Day tomorrow!!!!

Is it tomorrow? I thought I heard John Madejski in an interview recently say that we would have a decision by the end of May.

Fingers crossed. This is vital for our development at this level!

The meeting is tomorrow I believe which would mean a decision being reached by the end of the month - hopefully.

[G'La]

D-Day tomorrow!!!!

Is it tomorrow? I thought I heard John Madejski in an interview recently say that we would have a decision by the end of May.

Fingers crossed. This is vital for our development at this level!

The meeting is tomorrow I believe which would mean a decision being reached by the end of the month - hopefully.

Im sure I saw at the end of an online EP article that the outcome will be printed in Thursdays paper.

[G'La]

D-Day tomorrow!!!!

Is it tomorrow? I thought I heard John Madejski in an interview recently say that we would have a decision by the end of May.

Fingers crossed. This is vital for our development at this level!

The meeting is tomorrow I believe which would mean a decision being reached by the end of the month - hopefully.

Im sure I saw at the end of an online EP article that the outcome will be printed in Thursdays paper.

Here we are, right at the bottom of the page....
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/2010/2 ... ki_stadium

[Coppelled Streets]

The extension in the East Stand would increase the overall number of seats in the stadium to nearly 37,000.

That will be quite some stand!

[The 17 Bus]

Fuming Kathryn Long said parking in Earley was so bad sometimes she could not even get her car out of the drive.

The mum-of-three thought the problem was specific to her road – Beech Lane –

well I drive along Beech Lane most days and there is very little street parking, I suppose at Xmas the houses with all the lights might add some problems, but hardly relevant in this case.



FUMING!!!!!

[Winchester Royal]

Fuming Kathryn Long said parking in Earley was so bad sometimes she could not even get her car out of the drive.

The mum-of-three thought the problem was specific to her road – Beech Lane –

well I drive along Beech Lane most days and there is very little street parking, I suppose at Xmas the houses with all the lights might add some problems, but hardly relevant in this case.



FUMING!!!!!

Maybe she should get off her ARSE and start walking.
Saves on global warming as well.