The fans....

[maffff]

"3) Supporters bring more to the party than just ticket money

"That was my wife," joked Brian McDermott when asked his reaction to the less than enraptured send-off afforded to him and his Reading players as they traipsed off the field after a surprisingly feeble first-half performance from a side fighting for their Premier League lives. "Yeah, we got booed off at half-time. Do you notice it? Yes. We were flat in the first half. No one likes to be booed off but we made it up to [the fans] in the second half. You are playing for your fans who pay their money. I don't think they really appreciate how important they are for us because they were one of us today." McDermott was not exaggerating – Reading's fans were numbered among the substitutes on the team-sheets. On a weekend when Wenger sniffily suggested fans unwilling to pay high ticket prices could always forgo football in favour of a trip to the theatre, McDermott's appreciative comments were comparatively classy. Barry Glendenning"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ing-points?

Not quite sure if this deserves it's own thread, or where to put it, but anyway, yeah, enjoy...

[BR2]

Brian has always praised the fans-he knows where his bread is buttered and to some extent that is why he has had an easy ride this season despite where we are.
That plus a couple of brilliant seasons of course but he does tend to say the right things and apart from Coppell has been the most popular manager here for many years.
BTW I think the fans support is overstated-it's often the players lifting the fans rather than the other way round but to say that the fans lift the players is a much better sound bite.

[ZacNaloen]

When the players give us what we need to see (passion, drive, etc etc), they get it back in turn.

When they gives us what we expect (lacklustre performance, cheap goals), we do struggle to find a voice to turn it around. And that's the whole ground not just specific areas.

It's a two way thing, i'm sure Brian realises that which is why we always get good soundbites from him.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

So, the two messages to be taken from this are :

- motivational booing works
- don't bother going to away games because there's not enough of you for the team to turn up.



It's a great soundbite, but I don't think it's got any great grounding in reality - it's a great soundbite and nothing more.

[Top Flight]

I've always been an advocate of motivational booing.

It definitely does work!

People shouldn't take it too seriously. Anyone who takes pantomime booing too seriously is just over sensitive.

[Hampshire Royal]

I've had some experience of performing on stage. All I can say is that when the audience give a good reaction to the show, it lifts you. If it's not going too well, and the reaction is not so good, it is that much harder to raise your performance.

[melonhead]

When the players give us what we need to see (passion, drive, etc etc), they get it back in turn.

When they gives us what we expect (lacklustre performance, cheap goals), we do struggle to find a voice to turn it around. And that's the whole ground not just specific areas.

It's a two way thing, i'm sure Brian realises that which is why we always get good soundbites from him.

lol at expect


otherwaise, agreed that the players and fans feed off each other
but it is two way, not one as youve suggested

[melonhead]

massicve lol at the tw@s around me who were booing and calling for the managers head, and saying he didint know what he was doing when he took of karacan and went 4-4-2

didnt even have the balls to look sheepish about it when we won

[Green]

So, the two messages to be taken from this are :

- motivational booing works
- don't bother going to away games because there's not enough of you for the team to turn up.



It's a great soundbite, but I don't think it's got any great grounding in reality - it's a great soundbite and nothing more.

+1

It's always good PR to say thank you to the people you pay your wages. At least he does this though, unlike the hapless Arsenal supremo quoted.

[The Beardy Man]

I've had some experience of performing on stage. All I can say is that when the audience give a good reaction to the show, it lifts you. If it's not going too well, and the reaction is not so good, it is that much harder to raise your performance.

That has been very much my experience also, no better buzz than when a good crowd are really getting into what you do...conversely playing to a small group of apathetic punters leaves you questioning why you bother.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

An interesting article about Sir Alex Ferguson lecturing to Harvard Business School about management and motivation :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9755172/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-went-to-Harvard-to-learn-as-well-as-teach.html

I was going to post it in General football but it's relevant here as we're talking about motivational booing.....

"For a player – and for any human being – there is nothing better than hearing ‘well done’. Those are the two best words ever invented in sport.”

[Top Flight]

massicve lol at the tw@s around me who were booing and calling for the managers head, and saying he didint know what he was doing when he took of karacan and went 4-4-2

didnt even have the balls to look sheepish about it when we won

Why should they look sheepish? Their motivational booing lifted the team. The players were ashamed to have played so badly and the boo boys let them know that a below par performance will not be tolerated. After all they have paid their ticket money and they expect a proper performance. Once the players realised that their efforts were unacceptable, they raised their games and got stuck in and won the match. It was good motivational methods once again being deployed by the boo boys. If it wasn't for having a group of fans telling the players what they really think about their performances we would have been relegated a long time ago.

Well done the boo boys for lifting the players and driving them on to three much needed points.

[Hampshire Royal]

I've had some experience of performing on stage. All I can say is that when the audience give a good reaction to the show, it lifts you. If it's not going too well, and the reaction is not so good, it is that much harder to raise your performance.

That has been very much my experience also, no better buzz than when a good crowd are really getting into what you do...conversely playing to a small group of apathetic punters leaves you questioning why you bother.

I agree, there's no such thing as a bad performance, only bad crowds!!

[Alexander Litvinenko]

I've had some experience of performing on stage. All I can say is that when the audience give a good reaction to the show, it lifts you. If it's not going too well, and the reaction is not so good, it is that much harder to raise your performance.

That has been very much my experience also, no better buzz than when a good crowd are really getting into what you do...conversely playing to a small group of apathetic punters leaves you questioning why you bother.

I agree, there's no such thing as a bad performance, only bad crowds!!

So when do we get our share of the win bonus for Saturday?

[Top Flight]

An interesting article about Sir Alex Ferguson lecturing to Harvard Business School about management and motivation :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9755172/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-went-to-Harvard-to-learn-as-well-as-teach.html

I was going to post it in General football but it's relevant here as we're talking about motivational booing.....

"For a player – and for any human being – there is nothing better than hearing ‘well done’. Those are the two best words ever invented in sport.”

Yes, you say well done, when they actually deserve a well done. You don't say well done when they have just played Sh*t.

What Fergie means is, when a player and a team have just got back from 2-0 down and won the game 3-2, that is when you shouldn't forget to say Well done. So the players know that their efforts are appreciated. When they do well they are rightly praised. A bad manager will forget to praise a team when they deserve to be praised.

After playing badly in the first half and getting booed off the pitch, imagine what a great feeling it is to have won back the fans appreciation and pride when you have just made a magnificent come-back and won the game 3-2 from 2 nil down and you come off to a rapturous applause. That is great satisfaction for a player and underlines why the boo boys are a very important part of the motivational mix at the club.

[Norfolk Royal]

So, the two messages to be taken from this are :

- motivational booing works
- don't bother going to away games because there's not enough of you for the team to turn up.



It's a great soundbite, but I don't think it's got any great grounding in reality - it's a great soundbite and nothing more.

+1

It's always good PR to say thank you to the people you pay your wages.

Why didn't he thank Rupert Murdoch then? So rude.

[melonhead]

massicve lol at the tw@s around me who were booing and calling for the managers head, and saying he didint know what he was doing when he took of karacan and went 4-4-2

didnt even have the balls to look sheepish about it when we won

Why should they look sheepish? Their motivational booing lifted the team. The players were ashamed to have played so badly and the boo boys let them know that a below par performance will not be tolerated. After all they have paid their ticket money and they expect a proper performance. Once the players realised that their efforts were unacceptable, they raised their games and got stuck in and won the match. It was good motivational methods once again being deployed by the boo boys. If it wasn't for having a group of fans telling the players what they really think about their performances we would have been relegated a long time ago.

Well done the boo boys for lifting the players and driving them on to three much needed points.

what a lot of utter bollox.
we played better, the crowd started getting behind the team, we grabbed a goal, the place erupted, we played even better.


12 blokes in the north stand booing with 20 minutes to go, wasnt heard at all by the players.
and simply showed what a bunch of slackjawed morons they really were. had no effect on the team, but was no less disgraceful

[melonhead]

tbf, i blame gloves for the shit atmosphere before we got back into the game.

shouldnt be allowed to take them into stadia.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

"Yeah, we got booed off at half-time. Do you notice it?

12 blokes in the north stand booing with 20 minutes to go, wasnt heard at all by the players.

Who to believe.......?

[Esteban]

An interesting article about Sir Alex Ferguson lecturing to Harvard Business School about management and motivation :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9755172/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-went-to-Harvard-to-learn-as-well-as-teach.html

I was going to post it in General football but it's relevant here as we're talking about motivational booing.....

"For a player – and for any human being – there is nothing better than hearing ‘well done’. Those are the two best words ever invented in sport.”

This. All day long. It doesn't matter what sort of team you are employed to manage, slating them will never, ever help. The trick is being clever to spot when a player needs to hear 'well done' and when it is best for you to say nothing at all. Say it too often and it loses its gravitas.

I don't agree that booing a team or player can ever be motivational. They might try a bit harder in the short term, but it won't do anything for their long term confidence and you should never underestimate how powerful confidence can be. In my experience, that goes for anybody in any situation.