Harte Signs

[Victor Meldrew]

Simply, no.

Actim is a statistical analysis of performance, you can't then bring qualitative reasoning into the debate to justify elevating one player's scores and not another's.
You can't pre-judge the impact that a player would have in a game in which they didn't play, simple as that.

Why not? It's done for goal-scoring charts.

Harte's goals for Carlisle this season count in the scorer's charts


If a player is top of the Championship Actim and then transfers to the Premiership in January do
you think it's right that by the end of the season he should be bottom of the Actim for both leagues?

Snowball,
You always seem terribly impressed by Actim,somebody's idea of Player of the match/month or season.
I think you would gain more respect on here if you said that you felt that Long and Harte are good players (an opinion) rather than all this other twaddle that is so often littered with errors.

[Wycombe Royal]

This is hilarious. You move the argument on to this issue of not all players having played the same number of games by extrapolating Harte's score and no one elses. Then when it is pointed out that that is not fair because you haven't extrapolated all the other players, you then argue why the scores shouldn't be extrapolated.

You couldn't make it up. You have the reasoning and debating skills of a nine year old.

Incidentally, you may not have noticed due to the red mist descending
but I posted the adjust Actim for ALL players adjusted to 16 games.

But don't notice that. It might make you look silly

I know you did. I was responding to your arguments, not the presentation of those stats.

[Wycombe Royal]

Oh and Harte was poor today, despite his goal. He was turned frequently with ease, put many passes astray and was out of position on lots of occasions. But don't worry the Actim Index will reward him handsomely for his goal.

[Snowball]

You always seem terribly impressed by Actim,somebody's idea of Player of the match/month or season.
I think you would gain more respect on here if you said that you felt that Long and Harte are good players (an opinion) rather than all this other twaddle that is so often littered with errors.

Snowball: I think Harte is a good player
Someone else: I think Harte is gash
Snowball: No he's really good.
Someone else: No he's not.

[Snowball]

Oh and Harte was poor today, despite his goal. He was turned frequently with ease, put many passes astray and was out of position on lots of occasions. But don't worry the Actim Index will reward him handsomely for his goal.

Yes, Harte was responsible for giving away the free-kick and then responsible for not saving the shot. (or of course, not)

Yes, Harte was responsible for making Mills pass back like a Sunday footballer

Yes Harte was responsible for making Zurab give acres of space to the full-back who scored their first, and he was also responsible for not being the midfielder running with said fullback (maybe because he was trying to contain the winger.)

The thing is this. Analyse the actual goals we concede, analyse every one and ask who is responsible.


There have been 16 goals conceded now in 13 games. How many were down to Harte?

[Wycombe Royal]

You always seem terribly impressed by Actim,somebody's idea of Player of the match/month or season.
I think you would gain more respect on here if you said that you felt that Long and Harte are good players (an opinion) rather than all this other twaddle that is so often littered with errors.

Snowball: I think Harte is a good player
Someone else: I think Harte is gash
Snowball: No he's really good.
Someone else: No he's not.

I don't think you'll find I have EVER said Harte is a poor player (yes I have said he was poor today, but even world class players have off days).

My issue is solely with your stats, their accuracy, your interpretation of them and your over reliance on them.

[Wycombe Royal]

Oh and Harte was poor today, despite his goal. He was turned frequently with ease, put many passes astray and was out of position on lots of occasions. But don't worry the Actim Index will reward him handsomely for his goal.

Yes, Harte was responsible for giving away the free-kick and then responsible for not saving the shot. (or of course, not)

Yes, Harte was responsible for making Mills pass back like a Sunday footballer

Yes Harte was responsible for making Zurab give acres of space to the full-back who scored their first, and he was also responsible for not being the midfielder running with said fullback (maybe because he was trying to contain the winger.)

The thing is this. Analyse the actual goals we concede, analyse every one and ask who is responsible.


There have been 16 goals conceded now in 13 games. How many were down to Harte?

That is irrelevant. i was analysing his performance, not how the goals were conceded. We could have won 6-0 and I would still have criticised his performance if it was like the one he put in today.

Making an idiot of yourself comes very easy to you doesn't it? Just for once try responding to what people write.

[cmonurz]

Oh and Harte was poor today, despite his goal. He was turned frequently with ease, put many passes astray and was out of position on lots of occasions. But don't worry the Actim Index will reward him handsomely for his goal.

Yes, Harte was responsible for giving away the free-kick and then responsible for not saving the shot. (or of course, not)

Yes, Harte was responsible for making Mills pass back like a Sunday footballer

Yes Harte was responsible for making Zurab give acres of space to the full-back who scored their first, and he was also responsible for not being the midfielder running with said fullback (maybe because he was trying to contain the winger.)

The thing is this. Analyse the actual goals we concede, analyse every one and ask who is responsible.


There have been 16 goals conceded now in 13 games. How many were down to Harte?

3. And that's plenty.

Harte wasn't great today, far too many misplaced passes, and not much of an outlet on the left. Considering he has a gem of a left foot, he was too easily forced inside on his weaker right, and so his delivery into the box was also poor.

[Snowball]

3. And that's plenty.

So Harte has been responsible (you say) for 3 goals out of 16

Now do the same for Mills
Now do the same for Zurab
Now do the same for Fedders
Now do the same for Pearce
Now do the same for Williams
Now do the same for Cummings.

Mills had a blooper today, has had two OGs, failed (with Griffin) against Sinclair, lost his man for the other Donny goal, lost his man v Scunthorpe, lost his man at Leicester, lost his man at Boro... that's 8 goals I can think of off the top of my head. He was also weak when Harte made his error v Doncaster, weak for the goal v Bristol. So that's 8 and two halves. I presume you'd agree that being sent off stupidly is also a bad mark? But to compensate, he has scored 4 goals... And was the first Scunny goal down to Mills? Was Mills back-heel an error or not at QPR? Some say it was. I think he could do little else. But he's been majorly responsible for a lot of goals

So OUR CAPTAIN is responsible almost solely so, for 8+ goals and partly responsible for 2 (but has scored 4 goals)
The TERRIBLE Harte, YOU say has been responsible for just three AND HAS SCORED FOUR GOALS and has assists.

Zurab was at fault today, totally at fault at Preston, and has managed to get sent off. Scored none.

[Snowball]

My point about Harte is that whether he is being rinsed or not (I think people say he gets rinsed when in fact he doesn't, eg Eagles at Burnley, where we one 4-0 and he WASN'T rinsed) he is not ultimately being responsible for shipping many goals. And of course he's scoring goals.

[cmonurz]

So, Snowball has over-reacted, surprise surprise.

If you recall Snowball, I'm a big fan of Harte.

The 'terrible' Harte? Well those are your words, I just said he wasn't that great today.

[Snowball]

So, Snowball has over-reacted, surprise surprise. If you recall Snowball, I'm a big fan of Harte.
The 'terrible' Harte? Well those are your words, I just said he wasn't that great today.

Why are you making this about you? Harte is roundly criticised all over this board and when I say, "The Terrible Harte" I'm responding to that general, near-universal criticism of the club's top-scorer

[cmonurz]

So, Snowball has over-reacted, surprise surprise. If you recall Snowball, I'm a big fan of Harte.
The 'terrible' Harte? Well those are your words, I just said he wasn't that great today.

Why are you making this about you? Harte is roundly criticised all over this board and when I say, "The Terrible Harte" I'm responding to that general, near-universal criticism of the club's top-scorer

Because you quoted my post, and then used the phrase 'you say' twice in your response.

I think it's quite reasonable to assume you are responding to me, if you weren't, then I bow to your supreme writing skills and my lack of intellect.

[Snowball]

note the comma before this

YOU say has been responsible for just three (goals)


geddit?

[cmonurz]

You have to argue every point. It's tiresome, and you're disrespectful, so I'm out.

[savage 4 england]

Harte is putting the other defenders in trouble. Just because Harte isn't the final contributor to a mistake (e.g Matt Mills back pass) doesn't mean he is playing well.

[Ian Royal]

Give up cmonurz. He seems incapable of taking note of who actually makes comments like Harte is terrible and instead just tars the entire membership (other than him of course) with them.

Or in engaging in a reasoned debate for that matter.

For what it's worth I didn't think Harte was that bad (again). Certainly compared to some of the mistakes Mills & Zurab were making. Though they certainly upped their games, whereas Harte perhaps just stayed at the same level.

[Terminal Boardom]

The problem with Harte today in the second half was that he was too slow to take adavntage of the space in front of him. Antonio linked up well with Griffin which pulled players out of position. Not once did Harte get in front of whoever was on the left.

[Snowball]

Harte is putting the other defenders in trouble. Just because Harte isn't the final contributor to a mistake (e.g Matt Mills back pass) doesn't mean he is playing well.

Harte has been around a long time. It's my opinion that though he looks in trouble he is not in as much trouble as we think. That's why I make the point about which goals has he CAUSED. He had a BLUNDER v Doncaster, was partly at fault for the Bristol goal (but his man wasn't the scorer)...

I presume you're not trying to suggest Harte's weaknesses contributed to Mills's error?

[Snowball]

The problem with Harte today in the second half was that he was too slow to take adavntage of the space in front of him. Antonio linked up well with Griffin which pulled players out of position. Not once did Harte get in front of whoever was on the left.

Not quite true. He was having a go at Church, and Church wasn't having a good one and was often getting into trouble.

The one time when they worked in partnership Church's forward pass was way too hard and went behind.

Can't remember their combo in the first half, but second half, it lo Church had a poor game for him.oked like they didn't know each other.

I thought Church had a relatively weak game and would say he's slipped to number-3 striker