Norwich - back from the game

[harryroyal]

What more worrying for me is the fact McD never seems to see anything bad in this team, well if he does he never shows it.

'greed. He should go on the radio and call all the players shit, that'll get 'em going.

you're a f/cking idiot sandman. Criticism i key to improving, you dumb halfwit.

[Royal Rother]

If those players can't see themselves that they're struggling and realise that there are better players out there who would walk into this team, that's their problem, not ours - we want the best players we can get, managed in the best way we can. Anything else is disrespectful to the fans who pay a lot of money to watch this current shower of shite.

What the hell are you wobbling on about now woman? They know they are not the best footballers available. They, unlike you, have a degree of intelligence when assessing football. They know they are struggling, the table doesn't lie.

You want the best players you can get do you?

And of course you're going to stamp your feet and kick and scream if you don't get them.

And then when we next win a few games, this season or next, you'll be all happy again...

Frankly, I just find that pathetic.

[Royal Lady]

And this season after the entire squad left, and we had to play a bunch of kids and shipped about 50 goals in 10 games, winning 1 point in the process, I still went to every game and applauded them on and off the pitch.

That's what supporting a club is all about for me.

You guys? Support? You're having a fcuking laugh.

But you don't support RFC, so fukk off back to whoever you do support and let us criticise OUR club if we want to.

[Royal Lady]

If those players can't see themselves that they're struggling and realise that there are better players out there who would walk into this team, that's their problem, not ours - we want the best players we can get, managed in the best way we can. Anything else is disrespectful to the fans who pay a lot of money to watch this current shower of shite.

What the hell are you wobbling on about now woman? They know they are not the best footballers available. They, unlike you, have a degree of intelligence when assessing football. They know they are struggling, the table doesn't lie.

You want the best players you can get do you?

And of course you're going to stamp your feet and kick and scream if you don't get them.

And then when we next win a few games, this season or next, you'll be all happy again...

Frankly, I just find that pathetic.

I am saying that just because the players we have aren't good enough, we shouldn't just put up with it, because it would be "disrespectful" to them or whatever.

[grey_squirrel]

Norwich played the game as they saw it to get a draw. That's what they wanted, that's what they got. Problem with that?

Our players knew they needed to win and played with determination but were just not good enough to get what they wanted.

Pretty much end of.

[sandman]

What more worrying for me is the fact McD never seems to see anything bad in this team, well if he does he never shows it.

'greed. He should go on the radio and call all the players shit, that'll get 'em going.

you're a f/cking idiot sandman. Criticism i key to improving, you dumb halfwit.

Yeah dumbass that's why you do it behind closed doors and on the training ground not immediately after the game on the fecking radio for retarded cnuts like you to hear.

[Royal Lady]

Well, don't sit on the fence squirrel, are you happy with that or would you rather we bought in some more players in January?

[floyd__streete]

He deserted RFC for Windsor and Eton years ago and look what happened to W&E!

And this season after the entire squad left, and we had to play a bunch of kids and shipped about 50 goals in 10 games, winning 1 point in the process, I still went to every game and applauded them on and off the pitch.

That's what supporting a club is all about for me.

You guys? Support? You're having a fcuking laugh.

I can empathise with your reasons for wanting to switch to non league, but frankly it is easier to politely applaud amateurs when yoy've paid a tenner for the privilege than it is to be patient with people earning tens of thousands a week to 'entertain' you with dirge percentage football, being charged £30-40 for the pleasure of it. I should know, I do both.

I am afraid that being satisfied with the players trying their hardest just doesn't cut it at this level.

[JS28ZoD]

Before it gets lost in the mire, how poor is Gunter? Looked terrible in the second half, if Cummings isn't playing next week, it would confirm that McDermott has lost the plot.

Agreed Gunter has been a let down for me, his positioning is good but he never puts his foot in or wins a header and is poor on the ball. I actually think he's a better option than Cummings who is the same put poor positionally.

Unfortunately Brian is the one responsible, for £2.5m surely there were better RB's out there who were in our grasp, Clyne, Naughton, Simpson. I do think Gunter is a better player than he's showing at the moment though but how patient can we be?

[Royal Rother]

lol at having a go at fans for voicing critisism. I don't think anyone is slamming the team for a lack of effort but they are having a go for a lack of quality and at a management team (Brian, Hammond, Anton & SJM) for making the same stupid mistakes that got us relegated in 07/08.

'The players are giving 100%' is an excuse I just hate because quite frankly any of us would be giving 100% out there and if you're being paid thousands of pounds a week then you bloody well should be giving it 100% as a minimum.

It's up to the club to put out a team where 100% effort = results and for whatever reason they haven't done that this season. Brian doesn't know his best team, he seemingly hasn't bought well and the 'management' behind the scenes has been fairly shambolic this season. There's been a falling out with a keeper you've just given a 3-year 35k a week contract too, a falling out with the one central midfielder with Premier League quality and now the best young centre back we've had at the club in a long time is being kept out of the team because he won't sign up for the pitiful terms he's only just been offered when his contract only has 7 months to run.

Christ if you can't come on here and rationally question some of the decisions being made at the club then what's the point? I was stood there singing Brian McDermott's barmy army for most of the second half, I clapped at the end and I'll turn up every week regardless of the result. But for god's sake p1ss off RR if you're going to slate fans constructively criticising a team that they've paid good money to watch.

Completely and utterly this, particularly the first and last paragraphs.

Wimb, if you seriously think the criticism on this thread is constructive then you are as much of a twat as Royal Lady et all.

[Cripple Creek]

Most of the criticism on here seems perfectly reasonable to me. People slagging off people who are being critical are probably having a knee-jerk response because so much of what appears on the team board is slightly hysterical but, in this instance, the comments seem fair play to me. It was a dire match, yes there's no lack of effort but I mean, really, that was so uninspiring and the problem is, I really can't see how a team of largely championship footballers can be expected to do much more than they are currently doing. The penny must surely have now dropped that Reading just don't have the quality. Just hope it won't be too late come the January window.

[leicsRoyal]

Norwich played the game as they saw it to get a draw. That's what they wanted, that's what they got. Problem with that?

Our players knew they needed to win and played with determination but were just not good enough to get what they wanted.

Pretty much end of.

The problem is it just doesn't matter which starting eleven we put out, we've got a squad full of players that will give it their all. Sadly that will not be good enough in this league and the naivety of thinking it will is likely to be our downfall. Norwich played for the draw and got it, could we ever do that?

Can't fault the players for effort but we desperately need quality.

[floyd__streete]

Wimb, if you seriously think the criticism on this thread is constructive then you are as much of a twat as Royal Lady et all.

Your tone towards perfectly reasonable postings and contributors does you no favours, sunshine.

[Royal Lady]

Why am I a "twat" just because my opinion on the state of the playing staff at the moment, doesn't tally with yours. And I'll ask again, how do YOU know what we're playing like, because you gave up on Reading Football Club some years ago now. Throwing insults like you have merely indicates you're losing the argument.

[JS28ZoD]

Those saying Norwich came for a draw are delusional, they were regularly getting 5/6 men forward in attacks in the last 20 minutes to win it, where as we were getting 2 or 3 bodies up and only getting one in the box in some moves.

[RoyalBlue]

He deserted RFC for Windsor and Eton years ago and look what happened to W&E!

And this season after the entire squad left, and we had to play a bunch of kids and shipped about 50 goals in 10 games, winning 1 point in the process, I still went to every game and applauded them on and off the pitch.

That's what supporting a club is all about for me.

You guys? Support? You're having a fcuking laugh.

I can empathise with your reasons for wanting to switch to non league, but frankly it is easier to politely applaud amateurs when yoy've paid a tenner for the privilege than it is to be patient with people earning tens of thousands a week to 'entertain' you with dirge percentage football, being charged £30-40 for the pleasure of it. I should know, I do both.

Exactly right. Also, clubs at that level really make every effort to show that they appreciate you (they don't take you to be a mug punter to be fleeced at every opportunity and then ignored when it suits them) and make you feel part of the club. When I went to watch my son play away at one non-league club, the gateman came up to me at the end of the game to thank me for attending and said that he hoped to see me again some time!

[harryroyal]

it's obviously not working behind closed doors. I say every player should be publicly whipped in the nude in waterstones. It's a win win, the players get punished and the club gets more money for sending the players off to promote the new fifty shades of grey book.

[RoyalBlue]

Before it gets lost in the mire, how poor is Gunter? Looked terrible in the second half, if Cummings isn't playing next week, it would confirm that McDermott has lost the plot.

Agreed Gunter has been a let down for me, his positioning is good but he never puts his foot in or wins a header and is poor on the ball. I actually think he's a better option than Cummings who is the same put poor positionally.

Unfortunately Brian is the one responsible, for £2.5m surely there were better RB's out there who were in our grasp, Clyne, Naughton, Simpson. I do think Gunter is a better player than he's showing at the moment though but how patient can we be?

F*ck me!! Did we really pay that much for him? If so, that's another massive mistake that Brian made over the summer.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

it's obviously not working behind closed doors. I say every player should be publicly whipped in the nude in waterstones. It's a win win, the players get punished and the club gets more money for sending the players off to promote the new fifty shades of grey book.

This is a serious discussion board, please leave.

[ManchesterRoyals]

Before it gets lost in the mire, how poor is Gunter? Looked terrible in the second half, if Cummings isn't playing next week, it would confirm that McDermott has lost the plot.

Agreed Gunter has been a let down for me, his positioning is good but he never puts his foot in or wins a header and is poor on the ball. I actually think he's a better option than Cummings who is the same put poor positionally.

Unfortunately Brian is the one responsible, for £2.5m surely there were better RB's out there who were in our grasp, Clyne, Naughton, Simpson. I do think Gunter is a better player than he's showing at the moment though but how patient can we be?

F*ck me!! Did we really pay that much for him? If so, that's another massive mistake that Brian made over the summer.

Gunter looked shocking today