Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

[Thaumagurist*]

I'll just step in and state that his post wasn't a "knee jerk reaction to the bad result at Ipswich" - the Ipswich result was the catalyst for him wishing to voice his opinions.

Er, isn't the word "catalyst" just about the same as "knee-jerk"?

[Gus the teenage cow]

also RL continues to obstinately refuse to create a line of space between her post and the quoted post just coz i pulled her up on it so I ASK YOU who truly here is fearful of admitting they have done wrong??

[Royal Lady]

Is it?

The Ipswich result was the final straw after the other poor results, which prompted Schards to voice his opinions. Is that better?

[Thaumagurist*]

Nope, that still reads as "knee-jerk" to me.

[The 17 Bus]

Correct RL I rarely go to games now, and i never pretend that I do, however I can see how other clubs operate, and RFC need to market the seats well to fill the ground, whether this is from cheap ST's, cheaper selling of the less popular seats, or match deals including KFAQ, none of which I really need to see games to have an opinion on.

as you will have noticed my views on the teams performance tend to be from what I read on here, and generalisations, rather than from experience, hence Schards being worth reading now the team is playing again, I am however looking forward to Doncaster and Southampton away.

[Royal Lady]

For Spacey:

Catalyst: character, event, or circumstances which force a protagonist into a quest or achieving of an objective

Knee jerk: An automatic response to something

Not quite the same thing at all are they Mr "I know everything and nothing about the English Language" Spacecruiser.

[The 17 Bus]

I guess that you're not a ST holder in what you call a desirable seat (I assume you mean East Stand directly looking over the Half way line)?

Correct, as pointed out by RL, but these are the desirable ST's, almost fully sold out, at every other club they sell for more, it is only JM's view that all seats are equal that stops RFC selling them at a premium, lest add more seats that folk want, and then see whjat we can do with the rest.

[Thaumagurist*]

However you paint it, it still is a reaction to the Ipswich defeat.

[The 17 Bus]

However you paint it, it still is a reaction to the Ipswich defeat.

I dont think that Schards was posting in the wake of the Ipswich defeat, I may be wrong but i think he was thinking this from the start of the season, the defeat just enabled him to post his thoughts.

[Hampshire Royal]

Speaking as one who gets his information from the media (I made the mistake of living in one of the most beautiful countries in Europe, working in another beautiful country and getting involved with a beautiful, passionate and FERTILE woman). I don't come to games as often as I would like but get over as often as I can (baby and stuff permitting). It doesn't make me any the less passionate about my team, or my desire to see them succeed. I watch/listen to/read everything I can about Reading and, although I appreciate that there is nothing that beats actually watching the team play, at least I am not watching them with a jaundiced eye.

[readingbedding]

I guess that you're not a ST holder in what you call a desirable seat (I assume you mean East Stand directly looking over the Half way line)?

Correct, as pointed out by RL, but these are the desirable ST's, almost fully sold out, at every other club they sell for more, it is only JM's view that all seats are equal that stops RFC selling them at a premium, lest add more seats that folk want, and then see whjat we can do with the rest.

Do you think that JM should raise the ST prices for these 'desirable' seats at a 'premium' next year?
Look at the graphic of the East Stand on your left, letters 'A, D, E and J' are the best seats in the East Stand and that's where myself and my family, mates sit.
I can tell you now that the ST holders who sit in these seats are amongst the longest and loyal fans that RFC have got, and raising the price for these seats over and above the general increase for all the other seats in the North, South and East would not be a good idea.
In regards to pricing of these 'new' seats, if and when it happens should be the same price as all the others.

[Ian Royal]

However you paint it, it still is a reaction to the Ipswich defeat.

I dont think that Schards was posting in the wake of the Ipswich defeat, I may be wrong but i think he was thinking this from the start of the season, the defeat just enabled him to post his thoughts.

Yes, but he posted it after a 2 to 3 poor performances/results this season. Last season we were in the Premier League and our form and performances there don't bare a massive amount of relevence to this season. Especially given the gulf in class and after the ins and outs.

It was a considered opinion, but it was still an opinion posted as a reaction to a very disappointing match which was rather premature. Something which the team, performances and results are demonstrating rather well right now.

[The 17 Bus]

The point is do you think that a ST at the back of the North, towards the East is worth the same as yours, or one in row A that gets soaked when it rains, Y26 is full of young lads, mostly due to the point that they get in as teens and like to jeer the away fans, RFC have tools at their disposal to change how the thing works, will they??? who knows.

[The 17 Bus]

However you paint it, it still is a reaction to the Ipswich defeat.

I dont think that Schards was posting in the wake of the Ipswich defeat, I may be wrong but i think he was thinking this from the start of the season, the defeat just enabled him to post his thoughts.

Yes, but he posted it after a 2 to 3 poor performances/results this season. Last season we were in the Premier League and our form and performances there don't bare a massive amount of relevence to this season. Especially given the gulf in class and after the ins and outs.

It was a considered opinion, but it was still an opinion posted as a reaction to a very disappointing match which was rather premature. Something which the team, performances and results are demonstrating rather well right now.

was after no win in 3 away from home, but others posted after games that forest and Charlton were not that bad, so not posted after 2/3 bad results

[Ian Royal]

I doubt that Schards was one considering those games not so bad, and just in case I was confusing, I didn't mean consecutive poor showings.

I didn't and stil don't think the Forest game was especially bad. Frustrating yes. Charlton I didn't see. Ipswich I did, that was poor, but not nearly as bad as many seemed to be suggesting.

[readingbedding]

The point is do you think that a ST at the back of the North, towards the East is worth the same as yours, or one in row A that gets soaked when it rains, Y26 is full of young lads, mostly due to the point that they get in as teens and like to jeer the away fans, RFC have tools at their disposal to change how the thing works, will they??? who knows.

No, loyalty and being the right age at the right time has its perks...but way back when... JM decided to keep it simple, and with 8,000 odd fans there (including away fans) you could sit where you liked unless a ST was there.
So people moved to where they wanted to sit and some have stayed there.
It''s not my problem or fault that people get soaked, or are up in a corner of the ground these days
Also fans have the chance to move their 2 yr old (or whatever) ST around if they're not happy.
The last 2 seasons when more people wanted to see RFC play, it was a sell out more often than not, if you only go to games now and again these days, you may get soaked, or be sat in a corner somewhere.
Wasn't it 37 quid or something to see Reading vs Liverpool/Manchester United/Chelsea last year?
That's the way it goes.

[Yellowcoat]

I find some problem in seeing Schards as a 'passionate supporter' with someone who seems to take delight in:
(a) betting against Reading
(b) taking every opportunity to knock RFC on many fronts
(c) conduct a personal vendetta against a certain Reading player
(d) continuing with a viewpoint which has now been overtaken by events
(e) fighting a vigorous campaign against an expansion which would assist with improving our finances
Perhaps I would be too cynical if I think that the latter has more to do with the fact he might have to change his seat if this improvement came about. No doubt RL will be along in a moment to complain about me posting this.
How much more fun it is to enjoy the game, results and improvement than to always take a negative stance. Both of them should try it!

[Royal Rother]

(I made the mistake of living in one of the most beautiful countries in Europe, working in another beautiful country and getting involved with a beautiful, passionate and FERTILE woman).

I see what you did there and I don't like it.

[Victor Meldrew]

I don't agree with Schards about the stadium expansion but do feel that it is very premature to hail our current position as a success.After the one-shot-on-target game at Forest,the weedy capitulation at Charlton and the poor effort at Ipswich I can't just wipe those performances from the memory bank as if they didn't happen-they did and they happened within the past 8 weeks,i.e in living memory.
Recent home performances and the excellent result at Wolves give me hope that if we retain the current squad and bring in a couple more in January or earlier on loan we might stay in contention for promotion-if we don't and lose a couple of our better players I think we would fall short and if that happens it means that we have regressed from a 3rd from bottom finish in The Premiership.

People's perceptions change very quickly-whereas a few weeks ago Bryn was too old and crocked and Jem too young posters are now saying we don't need Harper.
A few weeks ago Rosenior couldn't defend to save his life and Murty should be back as a matter of urgency-now posters say that Rosenior is a star.
A few weeks ago posters were suggesting that Doyle should be dropped for Lita and even that Frederici should replace Marcus.

So let's rejoice in the performances recently particularly in the home games but please let us not assume that Doyle and Bikey will stay and we will storm this division like we did before-times have changed and we have become a selling club,something that hasn't happened for about 13 years,and I fear that January will see a number of posts on here bemoaning the lack of ambition from the club in letting players leave and making no great effort to stop them.

I sincerely would love to be wrong-I renewed my grand-daughter's season ticket this season knowing that she wouldn't be able to come to games very often but wanting to keep the seat for a return to the Premiership and renewed my home and away tickets for the same reason,all of this in the hope that we would get promoted.
Like Schards I don't think we will but also like Schards would be delighted if we made it.
That doesn't make either of us a traitor does it?
Remember Cardiff and Watford 10 games in last season and the great expectations their fans had then-it's a long and hard season and nothing is won in October but if come next May we are on the way up again I will gladly join my fellow posters in celebration and have no qualms about being proven wrong on a message board shared by people scattered far and wide but joined in a common interest who have diverse views just as they are of diverse ages,of diverse intellect and diverse lifestyles and occupations(except of course for Space where perverse is often more appropriate ).
So for goodness sake drop the personal abuse directed at Schards and his good lady and accept that people do have different views.
Yours sincerely
Schards' solicitor.

[Schards#2]

I find some problem in seeing Schards as a 'passionate supporter' with someone who seems to take delight in:
(a) betting against Reading - I won £500 backing Reading in the first Prem season and a further £500 betting on relegation in the second. I bet with my head, not my heart and back my (usually correct) judgement. I bet on Reading because I know more about them than any other team.

(b) taking every opportunity to knock RFC on many fronts - Utter rubbish, I give my opinion which is sometimes positive and sometimes negative but always what I actually think.

(c) conduct a personal vendetta against a certain Reading player - my opinion is Long isn't very good. In what way is this a 'personal vendatta'

(d) continuing with a viewpoint which has now been overtaken by events - except it hasn't, unless you're really really thick and can't see the concerns are long term. Are you really really thick?

(e) fighting a vigorous campaign against an expansion which would assist with improving our finances - £14,000,000 spent on seats that would currently sit empty and may well in future. How exactly would this improve our finances?

Perhaps I would be too cynical if I think that the latter has more to do with the fact he might have to change his seat if this improvement came about. - you wouldn't be cynical, you'd just be plain wrong and look rather stupid.

No doubt RL will be along in a moment to complain about me posting this. - doubtful, it doesnt have your usual hate filled bleating about mods

How much more fun it is to enjoy the game, results and improvement than to always take a negative stance. Both of them should try it! - Hard as it may be for those of limited intelligence to comprehend, it's perfectly possible to enjoy games whilst simultaneously having concerns about the future direction of the club

Other than everything you posted being utter rubbish, that was quite a good post for....for you.