Shane Long

[Snowball]

Idiotic, brain-dead, mindless, myopic. Any more insults you want to direct at the list, as you call it, snowball?

One wonders why you bother so much if that's what you think of us.

Good question. That IS what I think "of the list"

But "the list" is not everybody on the list.

There are some sensible people on the list.

There are even people who change their opinions on the list.

Some of the people on the list can read.

Not everyone on the list limits their conversation to grunts


It's effortless to show the listers up. Look at what they were saying BEFORE the Wednesday game about Doobs, then look at what one tackle and a goal does. If he lets in a blooper at Plymouth it'll all change again.

[Mad Dog's Ghost]

Don't worry about the stats.

Give any combination of Lita, N Hunt, Doyle and Long decent service and we'll score goals.

[floyd__streete]

I do agree that Long is something of a much maligned player; his finishing is as good as anyone else at the club - as soon as that chance fell to him last night I was up and ready to celebrate and he buried it with aplomb - but his all round game is mediocre at best and needs an awful lot of work before he can be considered fit to be a regular starter in a top six Championship side.

I haven't been discussing his all-round game or his collar-size.

No, because that wouldn't suit your agenda would it.

[CMRoyal]

It's effortless to show the listers up. Look at what they were saying BEFORE the Wednesday game about Doobs, then look at what one tackle and a goal does. If he lets in a blooper at Plymouth it'll all change again.

That's football fans for you - fickle (and long may it remain so). However, you can't expect people not to complain if he does let in a blooper, can you?

[Man Friday]

..resubmitted (see below)

[Woodcote Royal]

Still doesn't change what I see with my eyes, and that's a player that consistently looks less likely to cause teams problems than our other forwards.

In my eyes Long's "bothering" of the Wednesday defence for less than 15 minutes had a greater impact than Lita could muster over the 3 games he recently started......................and I'm guessing that's why Leroy, apparently, didn't even travel to Sheffield.

[Man Friday]

Utter bollocks see above. N Hunt matches him yes but Long is way off the pace.

Not if he scores more goals he's not because that is what he's paid to do.

Sorry I'm not certain of your point? Long scores a goal every 245 minutes, Doyle every 170 minutes, surely you can see from these very accurate (and utterly pointless) statistics that Long does not match Doyle.

??? Who are you comparing Long to? NHunt or Doyle?

[Hoop Blah]

Still doesn't change what I see with my eyes, and that's a player that consistently looks less likely to cause teams problems than our other forwards.

In my eyes Long's "bothering" of the Wednesday defence for less than 15 minutes had a greater impact than Lita could muster over the 3 games he recently started......................and I'm guessing that's why Leroy, apparently, didn't even travel to Sheffield.

I didn't bother to go the Sheffield no.

I've also stated a number of times that I think Long does a good job coming off the bench and nicking the odd goal here or there or working hard to help close out a game.

My statement above was in relation to starting games and his ability to consitently cause teams problems [whist starting games]. I thought the rest of my post put that into context, but may be it wasn't as clear as I thought.

I also wasn't talking about Lita at all, and personally I don't think he has a future in this squad. What that has to do with Long's ability I don't know.

[Skyline]

Here is his longest run, 5 consecutive games, in the Premiership, 5 starts, 352 minutes ("3.5 full games") 2 goals and FOUR WINS out of five amassing 12 points at 2.4 points per game.

20/1/07 W 3-1 SCORED Sheff Utd 73 Seol
30/1/07 W 3-2 SCORED Wigan 80 Kitson
3/2/07 W 2-0 XXXXXX Man City 75 Kitson
10/2/07 W 2-0 XXXXXX Villa 2-0 62 Kitson
24/2/07 L 1-2 (Poor Game) Boro 1-2 62 Kitson

Actually, 352 minutes is 3.911... games. As you're so hot on accuracy I wouldn't want you to be caught out by someone pointing that out to you. Although no doubt if someone did you'd point out how 'stupid' and 'moronic' they were not to realise that by putting "3.5 games" in quotes you were obviously indicating it as an approximation.

On what planet would that be (for a 19 year-old BTW) be considered "VERY POOR"? (Your words)

Apparently on Planet Coppell, as he was the manager who dropped him after those five games.

[Hoop Blah]

I made my "statement" at the top of the thread. It's not my fault if people distort it and try to make out I am saying he's better than Doyle or Noel Hunt. Here is the statement again.

...blah blah blah

Fair enough then.

Like I said, any 'opinion' you offer gets swamped by your constant barrage of quite often meaningless stats and so it gets a little lost.

I don't think Long gets slated that much on here. I think most posters seem to agree that he's not quite up to the job of getting in the side and performing at the level we need a first choice forward to perform at. Granted you don't seem to agree, although I still don't think you opening statement offers much of an opinion on Longs abilities and why the doubters are wrong, it just lists off some impacts he's had.

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

Here is his longest run, 5 consecutive games, in the Premiership, 5 starts, 352 minutes ("3.5 full games") 2 goals and FOUR WINS out of five amassing 12 points at 2.4 points per game.

20/1/07 W 3-1 SCORED Sheff Utd 73 Seol
30/1/07 W 3-2 SCORED Wigan 80 Kitson
3/2/07 W 2-0 XXXXXX Man City 75 Kitson
10/2/07 W 2-0 XXXXXX Villa 2-0 62 Kitson
24/2/07 L 1-2 (Poor Game) Boro 1-2 62 Kitson

Actually, 352 minutes is 3.911... games. As you're so hot on accuracy I wouldn't want you to be caught out by someone pointing that out to you. Although no doubt if someone did you'd point out how 'stupid' and 'moronic' they were not to realise that by putting "3.5 games" in quotes you were obviously indicating it as an approximation.

On what planet would that be (for a 19 year-old BTW) be considered "VERY POOR"? (Your words)

Apparently on Planet Coppell, as he was the manager who dropped him after those five games.

Or, if you remember the games.
Boro - Poor Game
Villa - Average if you're being kind.

Im surprised that no-one has pointed out that Shane scored against Sheff Utd (Relegated) and Wigan (One from Relegated). The quality of opposition that Shane starts (and scores against) isnt considered a factor at all in this group of matches

[Woodcote Royal]

Still doesn't change what I see with my eyes, and that's a player that consistently looks less likely to cause teams problems than our other forwards.

In my eyes Long's "bothering" of the Wednesday defence for less than 15 minutes had a greater impact than Lita could muster over the 3 games he recently started......................and I'm guessing that's why Leroy, apparently, didn't even travel to Sheffield.

I didn't bother to go the Sheffield no.

I've also stated a number of times that I think Long does a good job coming off the bench and nicking the odd goal here or there or working hard to help close out a game.

My statement above was in relation to starting games and his ability to consitently cause teams problems [whist starting games]. I thought the rest of my post put that into context, but may be it wasn't as clear as I thought.

I also wasn't talking about Lita at all, and personally I don't think he has a future in this squad. What that has to do with Long's ability I don't know.

You said Long caused defences less problems than the rest of our strikers, if that excludes Lita, I agree.

[Hoop Blah]

When starting games I think it's true, and I'm not excluding Lita from that either.

When coming on as a sub I think Long is probably our most effective forward. He seems to have the knack of picking up the pace of the game pretty quickly, plus his pace and work ethic means he gives tired defenders a real problem.

[Woodcote Royal]

I'd agree that Long has been a total disappointment when ever he's been given a rare start but given that Lita's total contribution since Feb 2007 has been to score the 4th goal in two 4-0 wins, he's produced nothing that makes him a bigger threat than Long despite many more minutes on the pitch.

The next time Doyle or Hunt are injured Long will get the nod and deservedly so................but he will need to take his chance this time.

[Royal Rother]

I want to see stats showing minutes on the pitch per yellow card.

Bet Long has the lowest return on that one.

[Woodcote Royal]

If you ask nicely, I'm sure someone will provide......................

[Snowball]

I do agree that Long is something of a much maligned player; his finishing is as good as anyone else at the club - as soon as that chance fell to him last night I was up and ready to celebrate and he buried it with aplomb - but his all round game is mediocre at best and needs an awful lot of work before he can be considered fit to be a regular starter in a top six Championship side.

I haven't been discussing his all-round game or his collar-size.

No, because that wouldn't suit your agenda would it.

If you want to discuss his collar-size, just ask. BTW there is no agenda except to counter-balance the knee-jerkers set to auto-hate

[Hoop Blah]

If you want to discuss his collar-size, just ask. BTW there is no agenda except to counter-balance the knee-jerkers set to auto-hate

I think you should name and shame these knee-jerking haters.

I've not seen anyone 'auto-hating' Long.

[Snowball]

I'd agree that Long has been a total disappointment when ever he's been given a rare start

Not so.

He had a five consecutive league-game spell where he played minutes equivalent to 3.5 games.

He scored two goals and we won 4 of the 5 games IN THE PREMIERSHIP, 12 points, 2.4 points per game

How (please explain) is that "a total disappointment"?


Details are below: 352 minutes played (say 4 games) = 2 goals = 1 in 2 = good striking



20/1/07 WON 3-1 SCORED..... Sheff Utd 73 Seol
30/1/07 WON 3-2 SCORED..... Wigan 80 Kitson
03/2/07 WON 2-0 .................. Man City 75 Kitson
10/2/07 WON 2-0 ....................Villa 62 Kitson
24/2/07 LOST 1-2 Poor Game...Boro 62 Kitson

[Hoop Blah]

How (please explain) is that "a total disappointment"?

Because he hasn't played as well when he's started games as he has when he's come off the bench and he usually looks a bit out of his depth. He has disappointed because he often looks like a player with significant potential but has never, in my opinion, fulfilled that during games he's started.

Do you realise that it's possible to play badly and still score?

Do you realise that Woodcote didn't say he'd not scored he said he'd disappointed. Do you see that there can be a difference.