BrogueMR.CYNICAL Don't get all the hate for Liam Moore.
Everyone is saying he can't defend but nor can any of our team, have you noticed the amount of goals we've conceded this last month without him? The results, if anything, have got worse since he's been out.
If anyone has evidence that he's been disruptive, let's here it.
Thought the statement put out by the club the other week was well out of order.
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WestYorksRoyalAscotexgunnerhughsies no.1 Know I’m in the minority here, but this whole Liam Moore saga is a mess and I can’t wait for him to come out with his side of the story - if he ever does.
He’s a decent Championship defender, always rates highly for blocks, clearly respected and liked by his team mates and has been made a scapegoat by the club.
He had his head turned by a move to Brighton, who wouldn’t given where we were and then was offered a bumper deal when being told we are not accepting £8m for him or whatever it was. Why wouldn’t he take that?
In terms of ability I’d certainly rather have him at CB ahead of Holmes at present (I know Holmes has a bright future but his performances of late have been awful).
I don’t think Moore’s performances have been any worse than the golden boy Laurent who gets let off the hook every week by fans just because he gives us a clap or many others tbf.
Good luck to Moore and hope it works out for him - genuinely don’t think he’s the bad egg the club are making him out to be.
Well I know my side of the story. His performances were pathetic, and half hearted, couldn't tackle and some of the worst defensive positioning I've seen. I'd like to see his team mates perspective. And his captaincy was non existant. I think some of his teamates might have been glad to see the back of him. He has let us down so many times recently.
When we signed him, he was a talented young defender who looked like a great bit of business. But he hasn't grown into the leader and defensive organiser we expected; Morrison has taken on that role. He's been too emotional and it affects his performances.
I think he's allowed a victim mentality to grow in his head over time, caused by the Brighton affair and missing his PL opportunity. The only reversal of fortune he's had was during the feelgood Pauno honeymoon period. But he's not a victim, in fact his contract is so great it has hamstrung the club.
The club has been a mess in recent years, but you can largely break the squad into 2 categories. Those trying to make the best of a bad situation, like Morrison, Meite, McIntyre and Carroll for 2 months. And then there are those who are part of the problem. Unfortunately there are too many of them. I don't want to hear Moore moan about his side of the story as he has contributed to the stink around the club. He was our highest paid player and should have been leading efforts to try and drag us through this period.
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Well I know my side of the story. His performances were pathetic, and half hearted, couldn't tackle and some of the worst defensive positioning I've seen. I'd like to see his team mates perspective. And his captaincy was non existant. I think some of his teamates might have been glad to see the back of him. He has let us down so many times recently.
When we signed him, he was a talented young defender who looked like a great bit of business. But he hasn't grown into the leader and defensive organiser we expected; Morrison has taken on that role. He's been too emotional and it affects his performances.
I think he's allowed a victim mentality to grow in his head over time, caused by the Brighton affair and missing his PL opportunity. The only reversal of fortune he's had was during the feelgood Pauno honeymoon period. But he's not a victim, in fact his contract is so great it has hamstrung the club.
The club has been a mess in recent years, but you can largely break the squad into 2 categories. Those trying to make the best of a bad situation, like Morrison, Meite, McIntyre and Carroll for 2 months. And then there are those who are part of the problem. Unfortunately there are too many of them. I don't want to hear Moore moan about his side of the story as he has contributed to the stink around the club. He was our highest paid player and should have been leading efforts to try and drag us through this period.
That's exactly the huge part of what I missed in my comment. The victim mentality. The last thing you need is a captain with that attitude. Great captains take shit and criticism from all angles. But to him it was about him and not the team. I never heard him defend individuals or players.....it always seemed to be about him and fans being unreasonable.
Millsy Obviously good riddance. Expensive, crap, problematic.
Not at all interested in Tom Ince (1 goal in 8 for Stoke is it??) but hey better to have him than Moore around, at least he'll be used.
My kids are excited, they literally think we're getting a spider to play football.
Millsy My kids are excited, they literally think we're getting a spider to play football.
NathStPaul To label Ince a bad signing is wrong imo. Evidence suggests in short bursts he is a game changer. He will be motivated to put in good displays and get a move somewhere in the summer, I don't think he will be coming here to go through the motions.
Millsy He plays well in between not scoring goals.
HendoMillsy Obviously good riddance. Expensive, crap, problematic.
Not at all interested in Tom Ince (1 goal in 8 for Stoke is it??) but hey better to have him than Moore around, at least he'll be used.
My kids are excited, they literally think we're getting a spider to play football.
No. 3 in last 6 games (inc. FA Cup).
3 goals in 11 Championship (442mins) games.
NathStPaulMillsy He plays well in between not scoring goals.
Hendo just told you you scores goals using stats, are you saying the stats aren't real? Tom Ince isn't really a striker, I don't expect goals from him. I expect hard work and creativity which he can do over short periods of time.
I know your boyfriend Liam has gone and it must hurt but you will have to stop crying soon.
MillsyHendoMillsy Obviously good riddance. Expensive, crap, problematic.
Not at all interested in Tom Ince (1 goal in 8 for Stoke is it??) but hey better to have him than Moore around, at least he'll be used.
My kids are excited, they literally think we're getting a spider to play football.
No. 3 in last 6 games (inc. FA Cup).
3 goals in 11 Championship (442mins) games.
Ok, nice cherry-picking of a handful of recent games. Hope it continues.
Going by wiki stats it's:
2018– Stoke City 94 (12)
He scored no goals for Luton in 7 appearances.
Wiki site is clearly quite anti Ince though as it talks about a season where he scored 3 goals in 40 apps for Stoke, but misses out 5 in 15 this season.
So yeah recent form 1 in 3 might not be that bad, and more relevant I guess than looking at the past few years.
HendoMillsyHendo
No. 3 in last 6 games (inc. FA Cup).
3 goals in 11 Championship (442mins) games.
Ok, nice cherry-picking of a handful of recent games. Hope it continues.
Going by wiki stats it's:
2018– Stoke City 94 (12)
He scored no goals for Luton in 7 appearances.
Wiki site is clearly quite anti Ince though as it talks about a season where he scored 3 goals in 40 apps for Stoke, but misses out 5 in 15 this season.
So yeah recent form 1 in 3 might not be that bad, and more relevant I guess than looking at the past few years.
I didn't cherry pick his totals though, 3 goals in 442mins of Championship football is for this season. 1 goal every 147mins or 1 goal every 2 games.
Snowflake Royalhughsies no.1 Know I’m in the minority here, but this whole Liam Moore saga is a mess and I can’t wait for him to come out with his side of the story - if he ever does.
He’s a decent Championship defender, always rates highly for blocks, clearly respected and liked by his team mates and has been made a scapegoat by the club.
He had his head turned by a move to Brighton, who wouldn’t given where we were and then was offered a bumper deal when being told we are not accepting £8m for him or whatever it was. Why wouldn’t he take that?
In terms of ability I’d certainly rather have him at CB ahead of Holmes at present (I know Holmes has a bright future but his performances of late have been awful).
I don’t think Moore’s performances have been any worse than the golden boy Laurent who gets let off the hook every week by fans just because he gives us a clap or many others tbf.
Good luck to Moore and hope it works out for him - genuinely don’t think he’s the bad egg the club are making him out to be.
You think his contract was our idea? He tried to force a move because Gourlay wasn't sorting out a contract for him.
We basically caved and paid him what he demanded.
And he's so high on blocks only because he's never in the right position to mark someone.
Hound another reason Pauno should be sacked
MillsyHound another reason Pauno should be sacked
Definitely should be, but this doesn't provide a reason for it. Seems reasonable to me.
Moore had to go and Ince seems to be a reasonable striking/attacking option if you look at recent form. Killing two birds with one stone (with Puscas going).
HoundMillsyHound another reason Pauno should be sacked
Definitely should be, but this doesn't provide a reason for it. Seems reasonable to me.
Moore had to go and Ince seems to be a reasonable striking/attacking option if you look at recent form. Killing two birds with one stone (with Puscas going).
the comment was in reference to this
'Paunovic in the last interview said he wanted to play Moore'
HoundMillsyHound another reason Pauno should be sacked
Definitely should be, but this doesn't provide a reason for it. Seems reasonable to me.
Moore had to go and Ince seems to be a reasonable striking/attacking option if you look at recent form. Killing two birds with one stone (with Puscas going).
the comment was in reference to this
'Paunovic in the last interview said he wanted to play Moore'
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