Has Adkins lost the dressing room

[andrew1957]

Yet another pathetic, meaningless reactionary thread. Of course he hasn't lost the dressing room you utter f*cking bellend. AAgainst Bolton we absolutely annihilated them second half. Against Watford we annihilated them first half. Against Ipswich we dominated second half, Against Blackpool we dominated the game and lost due to a stupid passage of play. We're playing well in patches, last night will just go down in the annals of history as a bad night but to come out with this sh*t after one game where we fail to perform is just mindless, revisionist b*llocks. Why don't you f*cking c*nts just crawl back under your stones?

So rather than enter a debate you choose to be rude and use bad language. I find your attitude offensive and unnecessary. I realise that you may have only a few brain cells but being civil costs nothing. This is supposed to be a forum for debate but people like you just turn it into a toxic joke. No wonder so many nobbers give up posting when they are subjected to a torrent of abuse.

[Za Vas]

Tbf I think he's spot on.

We've been playing pretty well and we lose one game in the Carling Cup or whoever sponsors it now and it's suggested that the players have lost faith in Adkins. I presume as Manchester City lost to Cardiff, the Yaya, Edin and David Silva lot have lost faith in Pelligrini also?

We were never going to win the cup, it was a Tuesday night sandwiched between away games at opposite ends of the country, with a group of players that A) haven't played all that much this season and B) Aren't rated by Adkins as first team anyway. Of course the result and performance was not good enough, but from the reaction on here you would have thought Adkins curled one out on every seat in the away end.

[Platypuss]

So rather than enter a debate you choose to be rude and use bad language.

It got the response it deserved.

[Bandini]

Yet another pathetic, meaningless reactionary thread. Of course he hasn't lost the dressing room you utter f*cking bellend. AAgainst Bolton we absolutely annihilated them second half. Against Watford we annihilated them first half. Against Ipswich we dominated second half, Against Blackpool we dominated the game and lost due to a stupid passage of play. We're playing well in patches, last night will just go down in the annals of history as a bad night but to come out with this sh*t after one game where we fail to perform is just mindless, revisionist b*llocks. Why don't you f*cking c*nts just crawl back under your stones?

So rather than enter a debate you choose to be rude and use bad language. I find your attitude offensive and unnecessary. I realise that you may have only a few brain cells but being civil costs nothing. This is supposed to be a forum for debate but people like you just turn it into a toxic joke. No wonder so many nobbers give up posting when they are subjected to a torrent of abuse.

It looks to me that handbags has indeed entered a debate, by making a number of counterpoints to the arguments raised by you.

[starbug]

The biggest disappointment is that he had 10 games at the end of last season, a full pre-season and money to spend yet we're so uncoordinated and doesn't know his best team.

[Cureton's Volley]

"Lost the dressing room"? - No

It is hardly a crisis. It is early in the season, and we still have a lot to look forward to.

However, the following sentiments are not unreasonable:

You cannot change a playing style over night

The difference with McGhee was that he didn't try to change overnight. He didn't just say "this is our style from now on - deal with it". It evolved gradually.

Any Manager has to fit his tactics and way of playing to the Players he has.

The biggest disappointment is that he had 10 games at the end of last season, a full pre-season and money to spend yet we're so uncoordinated and doesn't know his best team.

I am looking forward to finding out how good Adkins really is, because he needs to adapt slightly to overcome these challenges - and an embarrassing result such as Tuesday's could be a positive if Nigel uses it to become a bit more grounded, transparent, and realistic.

[royal67]

Yet another pathetic, meaningless reactionary thread. Of course he hasn't lost the dressing room you utter f*cking bellend. AAgainst Bolton we absolutely annihilated them second half. Against Watford we annihilated them first half. Against Ipswich we dominated second half, Against Blackpool we dominated the game and lost due to a stupid passage of play. We're playing well in patches, last night will just go down in the annals of history as a bad night but to come out with this sh*t after one game where we fail to perform is just mindless, revisionist b*llocks. Why don't you f*cking c*nts just crawl back under your stones?

So rather than enter a debate you choose to be rude and use bad language. I find your attitude offensive and unnecessary. I realise that you may have only a few brain cells but being civil costs nothing. This is supposed to be a forum for debate but people like you just turn it into a toxic joke. No wonder so many nobbers give up posting when they are subjected to a torrent of abuse.

It looks to me that handbags has indeed entered a debate, by making a number of counterpoints to the arguments raised by you.

Maybe, but there was no need for the tourettes at the end of the post. Having to use bad language to make a point isn't necessary is it?

[melonhead]

It's interesting that he was in his usual place on the touchline for about 65/70 minutes yesterday, then he vanished into the dug-out. I think he'd given up on that utter shower out there by that point.

He came over to applaud the supporters in the face of extreme ( I won't name names .....), although some around me thought his applause was sarcastic.

I'm sure it wasn't, though - having said it's important to show appreciation to supporters if he then didn't do that he'd get hammered even more on here.

sounds like he was applauding their boos.

" yes" *claps "you guys are correct, that really was appalling and you deserved better"

[melonhead]

Yet another pathetic, meaningless reactionary thread. Of course he hasn't lost the dressing room you utter f*cking bellend. AAgainst Bolton we absolutely annihilated them second half. Against Watford we annihilated them first half. Against Ipswich we dominated second half, Against Blackpool we dominated the game and lost due to a stupid passage of play. We're playing well in patches, last night will just go down in the annals of history as a bad night but to come out with this sh*t after one game where we fail to perform is just mindless, revisionist b*llocks. Why don't you f*cking c*nts just crawl back under your stones?

So rather than enter a debate you choose to be rude and use bad language. I find your attitude offensive and unnecessary. I realise that you may have only a few brain cells but being civil costs nothing. This is supposed to be a forum for debate but people like you just turn it into a toxic joke. No wonder so many nobbers give up posting when they are subjected to a torrent of abuse.

yes andrew!

stand up for what you know to be right.

i demand politeness from everyone!



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[Bandini]

Maybe, but there was no need for the tourettes at the end of the post. Having to use bad language to make a point isn't necessary is it?

Having read some of andrew1871's posts over the years, I'm reluctant to suggest that handbags' language was inaccurate.

[royal67]

Maybe, but there was no need for the tourettes at the end of the post. Having to use bad language to make a point isn't necessary is it?

Having read some of andrew1871's posts over the years, I'm reluctant to suggest that handbags' language was inaccurate.

Whether you think it was inaccurate isn't the point. The fact that it was inappropriate is........

[Dixeyroyal]

What a load of crap about Adkins losing the dressing room, and Mcdoughnut suddenly being the architect of winning football.

The fact is that Adkins has been left with the shit that Mcdoughnut bought in (Pog, Legsofwood, Mariappa, Kelly, Blackman to name a few), players that cant play Adkins style of passing football because they simply do not have the ability.

Mcdoughnut managed to keep 11 players happy by picking them week in week out regardless of their performance, knowing full well that those 11 would back him against any dressing room unrest. At least Adkins has had the balls to stand up and say "your shit so your not playing" - Mcanuff being a classic example.

I will also leave you with this famous Mcdoughnut quote - "Brett Williams is the future of Reading FC and i see him becoming a real force here for many years to come" - Brett never started a first team game and is currently struggling to get a game at Aldershot. He has a great eye for a bargain that Mcdoughnut!!

[The Rouge]

Hi Dixeyroyal, welcome the the board. Tell us a bit about yourself and your history with The Royals. 4 McDoughnuts in one post is perhaps too much for anyone but 2 posts in is too quick to judge. There were many early adopters of 'amazeballs' who went on to better things.

[Dixeyroyal]

I have been a season ticket holder for 33 years, follow the Royals home and away, have seen many Managers come and go and get fed up with hearing the constant doom and gloom surrounding the current Manager, who IMO is a big step in the right direction for a) promotion and b) longevity in the Premiership.

As you can probably tell i was never a big fan of Mcdermott and fail to see why there are constant referrals to what he achieved because we lose a cup game with a reserve team!

Mcdermott won a very poor Championship playing a brand of football that was one dimensional and had no plan B, a fact that became plainly obvious in the Premiership. It is also worth noting that when we won the Championship in 2011/12 there was a record number of Managers sacked in 1 season from that league, proving (in my head anyway) that our winning the league was aided by inconsistency with other Championship teams.

Thats all i have to say about that!

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

People who say "lost the dressing room" probably also say "hit the woodwork".

"Giving 110%"

[Royalee]

Yet another pathetic, meaningless reactionary thread. Of course he hasn't lost the dressing room you utter f*cking bellend. AAgainst Bolton we absolutely annihilated them second half. Against Watford we annihilated them first half. Against Ipswich we dominated second half, Against Blackpool we dominated the game and lost due to a stupid passage of play. We're playing well in patches, last night will just go down in the annals of history as a bad night but to come out with this sh*t after one game where we fail to perform is just mindless, revisionist b*llocks. Why don't you f*cking c*nts just crawl back under your stones?

Spot on

[Royalee]

Maybe, but there was no need for the tourettes at the end of the post. Having to use bad language to make a point isn't necessary is it?

It kinda is when you're entering a debate with a bunch of complete morons...can get quite annoying.

[Cureton's Volley]

I have been a season ticket holder for 33 years, follow the Royals home and away, have seen many Managers come and go and get fed up with hearing the constant doom and gloom surrounding the current Manager, who IMO is a big step in the right direction for a) promotion and b) longevity in the Premiership.

As you can probably tell i was never a big fan of Mcdermott and fail to see why there are constant referrals to what he achieved because we lose a cup game with a reserve team!

Mcdermott won a very poor Championship playing a brand of football that was one dimensional and had no plan B, a fact that became plainly obvious in the Premiership. It is also worth noting that when we won the Championship in 2011/12 there was a record number of Managers sacked in 1 season from that league, proving (in my head anyway) that our winning the league was aided by inconsistency with other Championship teams.

Thats all i have to say about that!

Fair enough, some good points with some decent facts.

It is interesting how the rest of the opposition was inconsistent that year, and perhaps by winning the league we went into the Premier League with a complacent sense of belief in the squad we had at our disposal.

We started off playing relatively open football last season, making a valiant effort going forward but giving away too many goal scoring opportunities at the back. Brian then implemented plan B, which was to go 4-5-1 and play a tighter game. This brought with it some limited success, and we received commendation for our spirit at the back during this period. However, the lack of quality and depth meant that regardless of the tactics we were going to be underweight either up top, or in defence depending on how we set up.

In the end it was the quality of our squad was the reason we failed rather than the tactics and lack of an alternative plan per se. Brian is responsible for his role in the lack of quality in that squad, but equally culpable were those above him.

After beating Adkins' Southampton in the promotion season, people will always be entitled to their opinion that Brian gets better results than Nigel. Likewise those same people need to respect your opinion that Nigel is doing better for the future of the club by a new style of football. What I find interesting is that this new style appears to be just as one dimensional, in that when we need to switch it up a bit to relieve a bit of pressure (i.e. last 20 mins vs Watford) we have been unable to do so thus far effectively...

Time will tell, but the upcoming Leeds fixture certainly looks set to become a huge bit of ammo one way or t'other if the result is anything other than a draw

[Cureton's Volley]

People who say "lost the dressing room" probably also say "hit the woodwork".

"Giving 110%"

"Take each game as it comes"

[Dixeyroyal]

"Re-group and go again"