Team Stats

[brendywendy]

the stat police are out in force today

[Bandini]

one stats thread, sticky it, end the madness etc

[Snowball]

And on another note, with a TINY sample of two games...


currently, the top two assisters in the league are Jimmy Kebe (Reading) and James Henry (Millwall)



and...


Five sides with 100% records, four of them playing each other this midweek
and the fifth side away to Ipswich. We could be down to two 100%ers,
possibly none by 10PM Wednesday.

Will be tough to win at Pompey but a win could have us joint top on points if not GD.

So far our start this season (4 points from 2 games) GD +2, one clean sheet
(without Gylfi, Mills, and now Shane Long) looks better than
last season's 5 points from 4 games, no clean sheets and a GD of 0

[urz13]

Give te guy some slack. Nobody is forcing you to read the thread. If he wants to keep his own stats and share them with the board so people who are interested in these things can read them, I will definitely be following this thread closely

[cmonurz]

No, snowball, no-one complained, simply questioned what stats should be included or were relevant. But you've stated it yourself now, this thread was supposed to be 'opinion-free', i.e. as usual you have no interest in what others think.

And that's me out, as the stats are flawed, this thread is ultimately pointless.

[Bandini]

I think that the "hit woodwork" stat would be of interest if it was augmented with shots on and off target stats. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine that a scuffed shot that's easy for the keeper to save is afforded the hallowed status of a shot on target (unless it's a shot at de Gea lolz!!1!!!!1!!), but a rasping drive that just hits the woodwork has the same status as a Chris Waddle penalty.

[Hoop Blah]

I would agree with Snowball that there are a large number of total idiots on the board who's opinions and ability to communicate them mean they're really not worth reading.

However, I'd question the mental abilty of anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence who doesn't just ignore them and concentrate on the mainly adult debate that can often occur. I know the internet is an odd place at times, but if you just ignore the dross and try and behave in a grown up way it makes it a lot more sense.

Snowball, at times you flit between the two types of posters because of your childish antics and inability to respond to fair criticism and debate over your application of and importance given to [quite often but not always] flawed stats.

If your opening post made a little more sense or gave a bit more perspective around why you might be recording these stats then perhaps they'd have been a bit more well received. For someone who teaches your communication skills, quite frankly, stink!

[Ian Royal]

I would agree with Snowball that there are a large number of total idiots on the board who's opinions and ability to communicate them mean they're really not worth reading.

However, I'd question the mental abilty of anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence who doesn't just ignore them and concentrate on the mainly adult debate that can often occur. I know the internet is an odd place at times, but if you just ignore the dross and try and behave in a grown up way it makes it a lot more sense.

Snowball, at times you flit between the two types of posters because of your childish antics and inability to respond to fair criticism and debate over your application of and importance given to [quite often but not always] flawed stats.

If your opening post made a little more sense or gave a bit more perspective around why you might be recording these stats then perhaps they'd have been a bit more well received. For someone who teaches your communication skills, quite frankly, stink!

Pretty much what I think. Everyone who disagrees gets tarred with the moron brush. There are those who criticise players with no real perspective or sound judgment, and then there are people who criticise with perspective etc, but sometimes things change and sometimes people get things wrong anyway.

I rarely agree with snowballs method or use of statistics (as with this thread) but his intention, if not his execution is laudable. His inability to take constructive criticism is a big big failing.

[brendywendy]

No, snowball, no-one complained, simply questioned what stats should be included or were relevant. But you've stated it yourself now, this thread was supposed to be 'opinion-free', i.e. as usual you have no interest in what others think.

And that's me out, as the stats are flawed, this thread is ultimately pointless.

oxf*rd off then

[Snowball]

And that's me out, as the stats are flawed, this thread is ultimately pointless.

You have no idea how much this pleases me.

[Snowball]

I think that the "hit woodwork" stat would be of interest if it was augmented with shots on and off target stats. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine that a scuffed shot that's easy for the keeper to save is afforded the hallowed status of a shot on target (unless it's a shot at de Gea lolz!!1!!!!1!!), but a rasping drive that just hits the woodwork has the same status as a Chris Waddle penalty.

That's on the OS

But shots on target is a bit of a joke. Just look at McAnuff's

He needs 50 ON target to get 4 goals. IOW, most of his shots are so easily saved they could be pass-backs.

Long OTOH last season scored with 50% of his on target shots.

[Bandini]

I think that the "hit woodwork" stat would be of interest if it was augmented with shots on and off target stats. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine that a scuffed shot that's easy for the keeper to save is afforded the hallowed status of a shot on target (unless it's a shot at de Gea lolz!!1!!!!1!!), but a rasping drive that just hits the woodwork has the same status as a Chris Waddle penalty.

That's on the OS

But shots on target is a bit of a joke. Just look at McAnuff's

He needs 50 ON target to get 4 goals. IOW, most of his shots are so easily saved they could be pass-backs.

Long OTOH last season scored with 50% of his on target shots.

OK. My point, in a slightly more confrontational manner, is that the "hit woodwork" stat isn't of much interest unless we also have the on/off target stats alongside it.

[Ian Royal]

Can I just add that a shot that hits the woodwork doesn't necessarily have the keeper beaten. Yes, no keeper happily lets the ball hit his post or bar, but taking Nugent's shot at the weekend, for example, it looked to me like Federici would have got his fingers to it and tipped it onto / round the post, if it had actually been on target.

[Hiram K Hackenbacker]

I agree

[Mr Cinema]

Possibly Pointless Stat #31

We are unbeaten in the last 27 games against sides currently in the Championship. You have to go back to October last year.Bristol City away

[Snowball]

3 Shots 2 On Target 2 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 1 Off Target 091 Minutes Mathieu Manset

2 Shots 2 On Target 1 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 158 Minutes Noel Hunt EDIT

1 Shots 1 On Target 1 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 044 Minutes Hal Robson-Kanu



5 Shots 0 On Target 0 Goals 1 Hit Woodwork 4 Off Target 180 Minutes Jobi McAnuff
2 Shots 0 On Target 0 Goals 1 Hit Woodwork 1 Off Target 090 Minutes Shane Long

5 Shots 3 On Target 0 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 2 Off Target 180 Minutes Jimmy Kebe
2 Shots 2 On Target 0 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 180 Minutes Mikele Leigertwood
1 Shots 1 On Target 0 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 180 Minutes Ian Harte

1 Shots 0 On Target 0 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 1 Off Target 158 Minutes Jem Karacan
1 Shots 0 On Target 0 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 1 Off Target 180 Minutes Alex Pearce

[Snowball]

OK. My point, in a slightly more confrontational manner, is that the "hit woodwork" stat isn't of much interest unless we also have the on/off target stats alongside it.

Bandini, do you imagine there are players who rarely get shots
on target and score, but they hit the woodwork a lot?

[Snowball]

Can I just add that a shot that hits the woodwork doesn't necessarily have the keeper beaten. Yes, no keeper happily lets the ball hit his post or bar, but taking Nugent's shot at the weekend, for example, it looked to me like Federici would have got his fingers to it and tipped it onto / round the post, if it had actually been on target.

The ball DOES beat the keep, though...

There are a million "ifs", Ian

[Bandini]

OK. My point, in a slightly more confrontational manner, is that the "hit woodwork" stat isn't of much interest unless we also have the on/off target stats alongside it.

Bandini, do you imagine there are players who rarely get shots
on target and score, but they hit the woodwork a lot?

I imagine lots of things. I imagine that there are such players; I have no idea what proportion of players come from this sub-group.

[Hoop Blah]

Snowball, apologies if this has already been asked, but, as your recording assist stats are you recording the a similar stat for the creative player if the chance is missed?

The 'assisters' contribution is exactly the same of course, their worth shouldn't really be quantified but the effectiveness of the person they pass to should it?