Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Mr.Swainey » 27 Aug 2014 12:17

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Mr.Swainey He is one of the best in the Championship, but at the moment he isn't even the best keeper at the club.


At the moment he is the best at the club. The fact that QPR may be about to spend £3M on McCarthy doesn't alter that. Equally the fact that there doesn't appear to be a number of clubs fighting for McCarthy's signature would suggest that he has dropped back from the peak of form that he displayed and that there are concerns about areas of his game, particularly his kicking/distribution.


What concerns about his game? I can only name his distribution as one - but even then it isn't the worst issue in the world - as other areas of his game are better than Federici.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by RG7Fan » 27 Aug 2014 12:54

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I'm pretty sure that's deliberate due to the way Adkins wants to play, but I could be wrong!


Adkins or not the point of the game is to get the ball in the oppositions net more times than they do ours. If we're not going to let the players think on their feet, read the game and take a chance now and then we may aswell employ cheaper players. Most of the time we kick the ball out we lose it anyway.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by RoyalBlue » 27 Aug 2014 14:17

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Mr.Swainey He is one of the best in the Championship, but at the moment he isn't even the best keeper at the club.


At the moment he is the best at the club. The fact that QPR may be about to spend £3M on McCarthy doesn't alter that. Equally the fact that there doesn't appear to be a number of clubs fighting for McCarthy's signature would suggest that he has dropped back from the peak of form that he displayed and that there are concerns about areas of his game, particularly his kicking/distribution.


What concerns about his game? I can only name his distribution as one - but even then it isn't the worst issue in the world - as other areas of his game are better than Federici.


Maybe not the worst in the world but nowhere near the best in the Championship and likely to prove one of the worst at the next level up. As for other concerns, people seem to have forgotten some of the instances last season where he parried shots out into exactly the areas keepers are told to avoid. Equally some seem to have forgotten how good Feds can be - fortunately he has started to issue reminders this season after the poor run of form/drop in confidence that rightly resulted in him losing his place and which his critics still keep referring back to.

Yes, McCarthy is a great keeper although it seems not so great that a bidding war is breaking out over him. However, Feds is also a great keeper who at present has the shirt and I suspect would have done even if QPR weren't expressing an interest in McCarthy. So if Harry's dog is prepared to pay £3-6M for McCarthy it certainly won't be the end of the world (probably less so than losing ALF or Morro) and could be very good for us, provided Adkins is allowed to reinvest the full proceeds.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Royal Ginger » 27 Aug 2014 14:44

Saw that, I'm sure every keeper pulls one of then off every now and again, but it's pretty special none the less.


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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Big Foot » 27 Aug 2014 14:47

Royal Ginger Saw that, I'm sure every keeper pulls one of then off every now and again, but it's pretty special none the less.

Camera save - McCarthy would've caught that instead of conceding a potentially dangerous corner

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Royal Ginger » 27 Aug 2014 14:49

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Royal Ginger Saw that, I'm sure every keeper pulls one of then off every now and again, but it's pretty special none the less.

Camera save - McCarthy would've caught that instead of conceding a potentially dangerous corner

Ha. Despite his Hollywood tendencies I think that's a bit harsh on the big Oz. That free kick was perfectly placed. Or is this a whoosh...

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Ian Royal » 27 Aug 2014 17:32

Federici's always been quite good at the acrobatic spectacular stuff. Maybe it's the slow motion, but that looks no more than a difficult save dealt with as you'd expect.

His weakness is his positioning and proneness for silly mistakes. His kicking is not all conquering quality many like to make out either and his throwing is often non-existent.

McCarthy's positioning is excellent as is his shot stopping. But he makes everything look easier and more routine than Fed, because of his good positioning. His kicking is out right poor, but not the cataclysm so many make out. He is also weaker with the ball at feet, but he's better at choosing the quick throw.

Federici's pretty much peaked. McCarthy's still on a learning curve. McCarthy edges it in general, although hasn't been at his best in pre-season by most accounts. He also has far greater potential.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Simon's Church » 27 Aug 2014 18:06

sandman Dry your eyes m8s.

Fcuck off :x. I hope federici fcucking eats you :evil:


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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by sandman » 27 Aug 2014 18:09

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sandman Dry your eyes m8s.

Fcuck off :x. I hope federici fcucking eats you :evil:


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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Ian Royal » 27 Aug 2014 18:25

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sandman Dry your eyes m8s.

Fcuck off :x. I hope federici fcucking eats you :evil:

as long as sandman stands near a post Federici'll never get near enough to eat him.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Simon's Church » 27 Aug 2014 19:56

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by bcubed » 28 Aug 2014 13:34

Ian Royal Federici's always been quite good at the acrobatic spectacular stuff. Maybe it's the slow motion, but that looks no more than a difficult save dealt with as you'd expect.

His weakness is his positioning and proneness for silly mistakes. His kicking is not all conquering quality many like to make out either and his throwing is often non-existent.

McCarthy's positioning is excellent as is his shot stopping. But he makes everything look easier and more routine than Fed, because of his good positioning. His kicking is out right poor, but not the cataclysm so many make out. He is also weaker with the ball at feet, but he's better at choosing the quick throw.

Federici's pretty much peaked. McCarthy's still on a learning curve. McCarthy edges it in general, although hasn't been at his best in pre-season by most accounts. He also has far greater potential.


I think this is a pretty good analysis but I'd also add that Feds is poor at decision making in comparison to McCarthy

He never seems sure when to come for a cross, when to close down a forward or when to stay put. As a result he sometimes seems to dither and end up in no mans land. It also doesnt help the rest of the defence because they are unsure what he is going to do.

In fairness I thought McCarthy suffered a lack of confidence at times during last season and also started to make poor decisions. But I would still choose him every time and without doubt (IMO) he will get better and better


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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by TommyF » 28 Aug 2014 19:12

McCarthy is the better keeper IMO but we are blessed that our next best is as good as Feds is. The big Aussie was rightly number one before his almighty confidence crash in the opening games in the prem.

I really can't remember the last time Reading were in the Champ and didn't have one of the best keepers in the league to call on. Well done RFC and Sal Bibbo

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Royal Ginger » 28 Aug 2014 22:08

Yup. Just hope Andersen's up to the standard, bit concerning he couldn't hold a place at Randers. Can't help but feel that he should've played at Scunny. We've been so lucky with keepers it's going to be a shock to the system when/if we have to play a crap one.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Hootus McFurby » 29 Aug 2014 10:32

Federici has the shirt to himself now as McCarthy has gone

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by RoyalBlue » 29 Aug 2014 11:03

Ian Royal Federici's always been quite good at the acrobatic spectacular stuff. Maybe it's the slow motion, but that looks no more than a difficult save dealt with as you'd expect.

His weakness is his positioning and proneness for silly mistakes. His kicking is not all conquering quality many like to make out either and his throwing is often non-existent.

McCarthy's positioning is excellent as is his shot stopping. But he makes everything look easier and more routine than Fed, because of his good positioning. His kicking is out right poor, but not the cataclysm so many make out. He is also weaker with the ball at feet, but he's better at choosing the quick throw.

Federici's pretty much peaked. McCarthy's still on a learning curve. McCarthy edges it in general, although hasn't been at his best in pre-season by most accounts. He also has far greater potential.


No more difficult...........?!

Have you missed the fact that he made it with what was his bottom hand? That makes it one helluva leap to get that far and high. I think you would find a lot of goalkeepers and goalkeeping coaches giving him credit for that.

Peaked? He's how old?

Claims that his throwing is often non-existent are absurd. Equally the promotion of McCarthy's choice of quick throws is somewhat strange, given that I can remember many occasions when myself and others have been shouting at him to throw the ball out/quicker. His choice has also included some to the opposition and defenders under pressure. Very good shot stopper as his is, he also made a number of gaffes himself during his time with us - parrying into danger areas for starters and a few other fumbles. Look back through match threads and you will see where people (and I don't mean me!) have on occasions questioned aspects of his performance and suggested that he might have done better when we conceded goals - and IIRC that includes at least one relating to his poor positioning for a freekick.

Of course, the fact that QPR have gone for McCarthy, rather than Federici shows that they regard him as the better buy. However, now he has gone to QPR perhaps some will be able to take off the rose tinted glasses and realise that the difference in quality between him and Federici is not anywhere near as great as they have been portraying.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Simon's Church » 29 Aug 2014 11:22

Exactly, any tope keeper would have gone with their right hand for that save. Hes made it more difficult for himself.

The free kick was from 40 yards and not exactly drilled, youd be massively disappointed to concede from there.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by Ian Royal » 29 Aug 2014 11:27

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Ian Royal Federici's always been quite good at the acrobatic spectacular stuff. Maybe it's the slow motion, but that looks no more than a difficult save dealt with as you'd expect.

His weakness is his positioning and proneness for silly mistakes. His kicking is not all conquering quality many like to make out either and his throwing is often non-existent.

McCarthy's positioning is excellent as is his shot stopping. But he makes everything look easier and more routine than Fed, because of his good positioning. His kicking is out right poor, but not the cataclysm so many make out. He is also weaker with the ball at feet, but he's better at choosing the quick throw.

Federici's pretty much peaked. McCarthy's still on a learning curve. McCarthy edges it in general, although hasn't been at his best in pre-season by most accounts. He also has far greater potential.


No more difficult...........?!

Have you missed the fact that he made it with what was his bottom hand? That makes it one helluva leap to get that far and high. I think you would find a lot of goalkeepers and goalkeeping coaches giving him credit for that.

Peaked? He's how old?

Claims that his throwing is often non-existent are absurd. Equally the promotion of McCarthy's choice of quick throws is somewhat strange, given that I can remember many occasions when myself and others have been shouting at him to throw the ball out/quicker. His choice has also included some to the opposition and defenders under pressure. Very good shot stopper as his is, he also made a number of gaffes himself during his time with us - parrying into danger areas for starters and a few other fumbles. Look back through match threads and you will see where people (and I don't mean me!) have on occasions questioned aspects of his performance and suggested that he might have done better when we conceded goals - and IIRC that includes at least one relating to his poor positioning for a freekick.

Of course, the fact that QPR have gone for McCarthy, rather than Federici shows that they regard him as the better buy. However, now he has gone to QPR perhaps some will be able to take off the rose tinted glasses and realise that the difference in quality between him and Federici is not anywhere near as great as they have been portraying.

No I don't think that save was particularly exceptional. I'd expect most keepers to make it, as I've said the slow mo aspect may have made it look easier, although I've also seen it at full speed now and I don't think any different.

Yes, I've rarely seen Federici throw the ball out. Yes, I've regularly seen McCarthy do so.

All keeper's make mistakes. Especially younger ones. Federici is far worse at parrying into danger areas than McCarthy. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but McCarthy seems better at avoiding it.

I've never said the difference between them is great, and I don't think many with credible views have really seriously said it is. That's just an effort to polarise a view point and strawman it to death.

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Re: Federici - the best keeper in the Championship?

by sandman » 29 Aug 2014 12:11

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Ian Royal Federici's always been quite good at the acrobatic spectacular stuff. Maybe it's the slow motion, but that looks no more than a difficult save dealt with as you'd expect.

His weakness is his positioning and proneness for silly mistakes. His kicking is not all conquering quality many like to make out either and his throwing is often non-existent.

McCarthy's positioning is excellent as is his shot stopping. But he makes everything look easier and more routine than Fed, because of his good positioning. His kicking is out right poor, but not the cataclysm so many make out. He is also weaker with the ball at feet, but he's better at choosing the quick throw.

Federici's pretty much peaked. McCarthy's still on a learning curve. McCarthy edges it in general, although hasn't been at his best in pre-season by most accounts. He also has far greater potential.


No more difficult...........?!

Have you missed the fact that he made it with what was his bottom hand? That makes it one helluva leap to get that far and high. I think you would find a lot of goalkeepers and goalkeeping coaches giving him credit for that.

Peaked? He's how old?

Claims that his throwing is often non-existent are absurd. Equally the promotion of McCarthy's choice of quick throws is somewhat strange, given that I can remember many occasions when myself and others have been shouting at him to throw the ball out/quicker. His choice has also included some to the opposition and defenders under pressure. Very good shot stopper as his is, he also made a number of gaffes himself during his time with us - parrying into danger areas for starters and a few other fumbles. Look back through match threads and you will see where people (and I don't mean me!) have on occasions questioned aspects of his performance and suggested that he might have done better when we conceded goals - and IIRC that includes at least one relating to his poor positioning for a freekick.

Of course, the fact that QPR have gone for McCarthy, rather than Federici shows that they regard him as the better buy. However, now he has gone to QPR perhaps some will be able to take off the rose tinted glasses and realise that the difference in quality between him and Federici is not anywhere near as great as they have been portraying.


There have been at least two occasions where his quick throw has gone straight to the opposition's Centre Forward.

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