How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by leon » 28 Feb 2013 13:14

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leon my comment was absolutely about the sizeable vocal minority who have been abusing BM all season. Any surprise which thread I put it on?


Abusing McDermott all season?

I can't say I've seen any real abuse. A little name calling in frustration at poor results perhaps, and certainly a lot of discussion about mistakes he's made, but abuse? You're kidding right?


lost count number of times I've read "bald twat" "bald oxf*rd" "clueless" "oxf*rd off McDermott" etc etc on and on this season. He was our hero 9 months ago.

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by USA_Loyal_Royal » 28 Feb 2013 13:33

leon
Hoop Blah
leon my comment was absolutely about the sizeable vocal minority who have been abusing BM all season. Any surprise which thread I put it on?


Abusing McDermott all season?

I can't say I've seen any real abuse. A little name calling in frustration at poor results perhaps, and certainly a lot of discussion about mistakes he's made, but abuse? You're kidding right?


lost count number of times I've read "bald twat" "bald oxf*rd" "clueless" "oxf*rd off McDermott" etc etc on and on this season. He was our hero 9 months ago.

dont forget mcdonut

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by maffff » 28 Feb 2013 13:49

USA_Loyal_Royal dont forget mcdonut


You know it makes senssseeeeeeeeeee.

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by Big Ern » 28 Feb 2013 14:31

I find it rather distasteful when such personal abuse is levied at BM. I am firmly of the opinion that he is a out of his depth and should not get another crack at the Prem with us, but to make such comments is pathetic considering what he has achieve for the club up until this season. There is crisitsm and abuse, some don't seem to know the difference.

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by melonhead » 28 Feb 2013 15:10

Hoop Blah
leon my comment was absolutely about the sizeable vocal minority who have been abusing BM all season. Any surprise which thread I put it on?


Abusing McDermott all season?

I can't say I've seen any real abuse. A little name calling in frustration at poor results perhaps, and certainly a lot of discussion about mistakes he's made, but abuse? You're kidding right?



criticism yes

abuse. no


unless you count some frustrated boos at the stadium abuse, in which case you need to get out more



crowd was terrible vs wigan.
but thats as much to do with the terrible performance as the other way round
plus i blame gloves for ruining atmosphere on cold days


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by Hoop Blah » 28 Feb 2013 16:10

leon
Hoop Blah
leon my comment was absolutely about the sizeable vocal minority who have been abusing BM all season. Any surprise which thread I put it on?


Abusing McDermott all season?

I can't say I've seen any real abuse. A little name calling in frustration at poor results perhaps, and certainly a lot of discussion about mistakes he's made, but abuse? You're kidding right?


lost count number of times I've read "bald twat" "bald oxf*rd" "clueless" "oxf*rd off McDermott" etc etc on and on this season. He was our hero 9 months ago.


Well I really think you're being a bit oversensitive then leon.

A few comments here and there perhaps, but as even brendy agreed there hasn't really been any abuse.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by melonhead » 28 Feb 2013 16:11

EVEN brendy?!





yes, he has been abused on here, yes he will have been abused at teh ground, but not in a way that he would have heard

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by RoyalBlue » 28 Feb 2013 17:34

I repeat what I said a lot earlier (in this thread, I think). Whatever happens, I don't reckon McDermott will still be our manager come the end of December this year.

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by Divvy » 28 Feb 2013 18:18

RoyalBlue I repeat what I said a lot earlier (in this thread, I think). Whatever happens, I don't reckon McDermott will still be our manager come the end of December this year.


I agree with that. A relegation followed by a slow and disappointing start could see him go a lot sooner even.


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by P!ssed Off » 28 Feb 2013 21:17

I was one of the fans "behind the dugout" criticising McDermott. Performances such as the one against Wigan are unacceptable regardless of division, importance of match or competition. The reason Wigan scored only three was because Federici put in some actual effort and Wigan were probably embarrassed for us. Been to pretty much every home game, and some away, for the last 15 or so years and I think last Saturday's game was our worst performance yet.
Did I blame luck, like McDermott tried to, or did I blame the team and the management. Well I blamed the team and the management because without a doubt it was their fault.

McDermotts team selection has been poor all season, with the favouring and disfavouring of certain players beyond ridiculousness. For a must win home game against opposition below us he started the game with 3 defensive midfielders!!!!! Madness.

His defensive selection was just as bad. As has already been noted by the observant, Mariappa was at fault for the Stoke goal Pearce was blamed for and Mariappa almost cost us another goal in the same game. Pearce's replacement for Wigan, Morrison, cost us a goal. Harte was also rubbish against Stoke, 1 decent cross (admittedly we scored from it) out of about 15 attempts. Shorey then played well against Man Utd and should have kept his place if this was why Morrison was brought in for Wigan. Harte's complete lack of pace definitely contributed to at least two goals for Wigan.

I also believe McDermott has to take some responsibility for Pogrebnyak's red card. The Pog has been performing wild and rash tackles all season. In only the last home game he gave away a penalty to Sunderland after a stupid challenge. It is the manager's responsibility to curb this side of his game and clearly McDermott has not spoken to him about his tackling ability or Pog just doesn't listen.

McDermott's substitutions in the match were also ridiculous. Of the 3 defensive midfielders, who all played quite badly, Akpan was actually the least bad. The only attacking threat in the first half, Kebe, was then subbed off for a striker, leaving us with 1 winger?!!?? Took Mcdermott a whole 8 minutes to realise this flaw and he then brought on a winger, I do not know what he was thinking.

McDermott's half time team talk after conceding two goals right before half time was crucial. Wasn't personally in the room but as we conceded only three minutes after the restart I'll assume it didn't go well.

As a Uni student I now no longer live locally. Each game I go to, only missed one home game all season, costs around £45 in travel alone. Because of this increased cost and increased difficulty in getting to games I am now less tolerant of crap performances.

The disgusting performance against Wigan should in all seriousness have been followed by an apology and/or a refund. Instead McDermott criticises luck, the referee and the fans. Instead of reminding us of "how far we've come" he should remind himself and his players that whilst they may have got a pay rise for playing worse, fans are not getting paid to watch them and as such are entitled to complain if they perform badly and show no effort.

Sorry for the long post but McDermott has at many times pissed me off this season. Even if we avoid relegation McDermott, as a person and as a manager, will never get the respect that i reserve for the legend that is Steve Coppell, who would not dare to come out with some of the stuff McDermott has said this season.

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by winchester_royal » 28 Feb 2013 21:53

I do feel McDermott's comments were a little out of order. He basically condemned any abuse aimed at him as ramblings of a spoiled generation of Reading fans, and refusing to accept any blame for what was a blatantly poor performance.

'I would say that in the last 10 years or so, Reading Football Club has known nothing but success'

Brian, in the last 10 years we have been relegated, lost in a play-off final, lost twice in play-off semi finals, gone 6 months without a home win, had a manager walk out when we were looking good for promotion, seen our most promising young player ever sold after half a season, and lost in an FA cup quarter final when 2-0 up and 45 minutes from Wembley. Yes we've had plenty good times over the last 10 years, but don't kid yourself - Reading fans know hardship and failure as much as anyone so to dismiss any criticism in such a way makes you look like a blinkered moron.

Next time, don't drop our best defender who's return to the team kick-started our revival, don't treat a team in 19th place like they're Barcelona, and you'll find the abuse less plentiful. We appreciate everything you've done for us, but that doesn't mean you have a free pass to relegate us without any criticism coming your way.

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by Ian Royal » 28 Feb 2013 22:12

Think that's going a bit far, but every time I hear McDermott talk about how far we've come under him it pisses me right off. It's not like we didn't finish in the play offs six months earlier. Yes, well done for sorting out Rodgers' mess, but it's not like we were genuinely a relegation fodder squad. He simply got what that squad should always have been capable of.

It just smacks of believing his own hype a little too much to me. Overly defensive and refusing to accept criticism.

He's right that we've had unparralleled success as a club over the last 10 years. And that we're spoilt in terms of how often we're used to winning in that time. But none of that means we don't have a right to complain when things are going wrong and people, like him and the players, are clearly making lots of mistakes. I'm not saying we'd definitely have stayed up if he'd done a better job in the transfer windows and with his team selection and tactics. But we'd have spent less time looking like total relegation certainties and mired in the bottom 3.

We got our second shot at this league, and we've royally screwed it up so far. It's not beyond saving, but a lot of damage has been done.


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by winchester_royal » 28 Feb 2013 22:23

Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting for one minute the last 10 years haven't been fantastic, but they also haven't been without blemish, and we've seen a fair few dark days as well as many happy ones. It doesn't make the fans' frustrations irrelevant, and it certainly didn't make them wrong against Wigan given the manner of the performance and selection.

I understand that he's trying to protect his players, but he needs to be careful that he doesn't alienate the supporters with patronising comments like these. Especially if we go down and he comes under pressure.

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by Once were Biscuitmen » 28 Feb 2013 23:24

Yeah compared to say spending an unbroken half century in the third tier it's been absolute hell for the last decade.

I think Brian is quite right to point out a huge section of our support are spoilt, sky-sports worshiping, web-muttering mongs who are seemingly incapable of understanding the relative economic disadvantage of the club compared to the rest of the, 'prem' and the problems caused by securing promotion with a massive over-achievement given the point in the development cycle of the squad last year.

If we go down firing our 2nd most successful manager of all time would also seem like quite a bad idea.

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by winchester_royal » 28 Feb 2013 23:41

Once were Biscuitmen Yeah compared to say spending an unbroken half century in the third tier it's been absolute hell for the last decade.


winchester_royal Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting for one minute the last 10 years haven't been fantastic


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by Cypry » 01 Mar 2013 09:46

P!ssed Off I was one of the fans "behind the dugout" criticising McDermott. Performances such as the one against Wigan are unacceptable regardless of division, importance of match or competition. The reason Wigan scored only three was because Federici put in some actual effort and Wigan were probably embarrassed for us. Been to pretty much every home game, and some away, for the last 15 or so years and I think last Saturday's game was our worst performance yet.
Did I blame luck, like McDermott tried to, or did I blame the team and the management. Well I blamed the team and the management because without a doubt it was their fault.

McDermotts team selection has been poor all season, with the favouring and disfavouring of certain players beyond ridiculousness. For a must win home game against opposition below us he started the game with 3 defensive midfielders!!!!! Madness.

His defensive selection was just as bad. As has already been noted by the observant, Mariappa was at fault for the Stoke goal Pearce was blamed for and Mariappa almost cost us another goal in the same game. Pearce's replacement for Wigan, Morrison, cost us a goal. Harte was also rubbish against Stoke, 1 decent cross (admittedly we scored from it) out of about 15 attempts. Shorey then played well against Man Utd and should have kept his place if this was why Morrison was brought in for Wigan. Harte's complete lack of pace definitely contributed to at least two goals for Wigan.

I also believe McDermott has to take some responsibility for Pogrebnyak's red card. The Pog has been performing wild and rash tackles all season. In only the last home game he gave away a penalty to Sunderland after a stupid challenge. It is the manager's responsibility to curb this side of his game and clearly McDermott has not spoken to him about his tackling ability or Pog just doesn't listen.

McDermott's substitutions in the match were also ridiculous. Of the 3 defensive midfielders, who all played quite badly, Akpan was actually the least bad. The only attacking threat in the first half, Kebe, was then subbed off for a striker, leaving us with 1 winger?!!?? Took Mcdermott a whole 8 minutes to realise this flaw and he then brought on a winger, I do not know what he was thinking.

McDermott's half time team talk after conceding two goals right before half time was crucial. Wasn't personally in the room but as we conceded only three minutes after the restart I'll assume it didn't go well.

As a Uni student I now no longer live locally. Each game I go to, only missed one home game all season, costs around £45 in travel alone. Because of this increased cost and increased difficulty in getting to games I am now less tolerant of crap performances.

The disgusting performance against Wigan should in all seriousness have been followed by an apology and/or a refund. Instead McDermott criticises luck, the referee and the fans. Instead of reminding us of "how far we've come" he should remind himself and his players that whilst they may have got a pay rise for playing worse, fans are not getting paid to watch them and as such are entitled to complain if they perform badly and show no effort.

Sorry for the long post but McDermott has at many times pissed me off this season. Even if we avoid relegation McDermott, as a person and as a manager, will never get the respect that i reserve for the legend that is Steve Coppell, who would not dare to come out with some of the stuff McDermott has said this season.


How exactly?

First goal came from a corner, nothing to do with Hartes pace....

Second goal, Harte was pushed up on the left to support Jobi, and Morrison tamely lost the ball in the Wigan half, giving Kone a twenty yard head start on Harte. I doubt if there's a single left back in the world who could've caught him under those circumstances...

Third goal came down our right side, Harte was nowhere near it. Probably Karacan was most culpable, instead of tracking his man he followed the ball and got done by the return pass....

Harte has never had much pace, but makes up of it with his experience and understanding of the game. It's fine to criticise him when he's actually at fault, but you're blaming him for two goals which were quite clearly not his fault, and had absolutely nothing to do with his lack of pace....

In fact, I challenge you to find a video of a goal this season for which Hartes lack of pace has been the cause (I can't think of a single one)....back up your argument with facts....

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by melonhead » 01 Mar 2013 10:28

He basically condemned any abuse aimed at him as ramblings of a spoiled generation of Reading fans, and refusing to accept any blame for what was a blatantly poor performance.


i do kind of agree
though its foolish for him to say it






'I would say that in the last 10 years or so, Reading Football Club has known nothing but success'

Brian, in the last 10 years we have been relegated, lost in a play-off final, lost twice in play-off semi finals, gone 6 months without a home win, had a manager walk out when we were looking good for promotion, seen our most promising young player ever sold after half a season, and lost in an FA cup quarter final when 2-0 up and 45 minutes from Wembley.


all true.....but.....relegation from our first ever stint in the prem, actually got to a play off final,actually got to two play off semis, had players good enough to have sold for big money, got to within 45 mins of a wembley cup semi.....

everything is relative...
and relatively speaking, for us, thats all pretty succesful.

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by bracksroyal10 » 01 Mar 2013 11:42

Whether people like it or not, BMD will be in charge until the final whistle of the season.

We might go down, we might stay up its 50/50 at the moment. Lets stop talking about what ifs and get behind BMD and the boys we really need to make the mad stad a fortress going into our last 11 or so games of the season. I think its important that we all play a part in that.

I think it would be good for the club to do something in order to build up an atmospere even if it were to provide those clap banners. If everyone has one, it encourages them to join in. Even if we filled the stadium with these between now and the end of the season, it could be a small price to pay to create a brilliant atmosphere

All im saying is everyone can talk and slate BMD but its not going to change our position or situation at the end of the season. Maybe the time to discuss this is after our last game of the season while I think everyone's opinions and analysis of BMD are fair points, I think whether you back BMD or not, we should do everything to will the boys on to do well.

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by RoyalBlue » 01 Mar 2013 12:35

Cypry
P!ssed Off I was one of the fans "behind the dugout" criticising McDermott. Performances such as the one against Wigan are unacceptable regardless of division, importance of match or competition. The reason Wigan scored only three was because Federici put in some actual effort and Wigan were probably embarrassed for us. Been to pretty much every home game, and some away, for the last 15 or so years and I think last Saturday's game was our worst performance yet.
Did I blame luck, like McDermott tried to, or did I blame the team and the management. Well I blamed the team and the management because without a doubt it was their fault.

McDermotts team selection has been poor all season, with the favouring and disfavouring of certain players beyond ridiculousness. For a must win home game against opposition below us he started the game with 3 defensive midfielders!!!!! Madness.

His defensive selection was just as bad. As has already been noted by the observant, Mariappa was at fault for the Stoke goal Pearce was blamed for and Mariappa almost cost us another goal in the same game. Pearce's replacement for Wigan, Morrison, cost us a goal. Harte was also rubbish against Stoke, 1 decent cross (admittedly we scored from it) out of about 15 attempts. Shorey then played well against Man Utd and should have kept his place if this was why Morrison was brought in for Wigan. Harte's complete lack of pace definitely contributed to at least two goals for Wigan.

I also believe McDermott has to take some responsibility for Pogrebnyak's red card. The Pog has been performing wild and rash tackles all season. In only the last home game he gave away a penalty to Sunderland after a stupid challenge. It is the manager's responsibility to curb this side of his game and clearly McDermott has not spoken to him about his tackling ability or Pog just doesn't listen.

McDermott's substitutions in the match were also ridiculous. Of the 3 defensive midfielders, who all played quite badly, Akpan was actually the least bad. The only attacking threat in the first half, Kebe, was then subbed off for a striker, leaving us with 1 winger?!!?? Took Mcdermott a whole 8 minutes to realise this flaw and he then brought on a winger, I do not know what he was thinking.

McDermott's half time team talk after conceding two goals right before half time was crucial. Wasn't personally in the room but as we conceded only three minutes after the restart I'll assume it didn't go well.

As a Uni student I now no longer live locally. Each game I go to, only missed one home game all season, costs around £45 in travel alone. Because of this increased cost and increased difficulty in getting to games I am now less tolerant of crap performances.

The disgusting performance against Wigan should in all seriousness have been followed by an apology and/or a refund. Instead McDermott criticises luck, the referee and the fans. Instead of reminding us of "how far we've come" he should remind himself and his players that whilst they may have got a pay rise for playing worse, fans are not getting paid to watch them and as such are entitled to complain if they perform badly and show no effort.

Sorry for the long post but McDermott has at many times pissed me off this season. Even if we avoid relegation McDermott, as a person and as a manager, will never get the respect that i reserve for the legend that is Steve Coppell, who would not dare to come out with some of the stuff McDermott has said this season.


How exactly?

First goal came from a corner, nothing to do with Hartes pace....

Second goal, Harte was pushed up on the left to support Jobi, and Morrison tamely lost the ball in the Wigan half, giving Kone a twenty yard head start on Harte. I doubt if there's a single left back in the world who could've caught him under those circumstances...

Third goal came down our right side, Harte was nowhere near it. Probably Karacan was most culpable, instead of tracking his man he followed the ball and got done by the return pass....

Harte has never had much pace, but makes up of it with his experience and understanding of the game. It's fine to criticise him when he's actually at fault, but you're blaming him for two goals which were quite clearly not his fault, and had absolutely nothing to do with his lack of pace....

In fact, I challenge you to find a video of a goal this season for which Hartes lack of pace has been the cause (I can't think of a single one)....back up your argument with facts....



Perhaps his lack of pace wasn't the main reason for their second goal (although it didn't help). However, his failure to use his (footballing) brain was. First of all, with the clock running down, he dallied around with the ball rather than getting it quickly forward to an area where we might be able to hurt Wigan. He then decided to pass the ball across the back and, having offloaded it to Morrison, made no attempt to drop around behind to cover Morrison as he pushed forwards. In the end, Legs and one other (can't remember who) were closest in the chase back to challenge Kone. What was Harte doing? I don't buy the argument that he was pushing forwards to support Jobi because there was absolutely no reason to be doing that during that particular phase of play.

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