Injury table and expected return....

[Lacoste]

The number of knocks we are now picking up is no longer a coincidence. Its a joke and will ruin our season.

[loyalroyal4life]

Give Mcleary a new contract whilst he is out injured!!!

[USA_Loyal_Royal]

Adkins used to be a physio of course, somewhat ironically.

thats why it is extremely worrying that we constantly pick up injuries in training. surely his past experiences being a physio would help limit these injuries...

[Hoop Blah]

Hard to blame the club for injuries like Obita's that happen during a game. It's knocks during training you have to be worried and upset by. We've had far too many of those.

Agreed - that's why I didn't list Obita. However, the efficiency of his recovery will be a measure of the quality of the medical/physio/sports science support at the club.

Not necessarily, the preparation of players must add massively to their ability to avoid injury. It's something I think we did really well when Pardew had Niall Clark running that side of things and our injury record reflected that.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Hard to blame the club for injuries like Obita's that happen during a game. It's knocks during training you have to be worried and upset by. We've had far too many of those.

Their ability to take a knock during a game and not get injured could be part of the same problem. Why are our players so fragile?

[RoyalBlue]

Hard to blame the club for injuries like Obita's that happen during a game. It's knocks during training you have to be worried and upset by. We've had far too many of those.

Agreed - that's why I didn't list Obita. However, the efficiency of his recovery will be a measure of the quality of the medical/physio/sports science support at the club.

Not necessarily, the preparation of players must add massively to their ability to avoid injury. It's something I think we did really well when Pardew had Niall Clark running that side of things and our injury record reflected that.

Yes, also accept that e.g. building up the strength of leg muscles that help support the knee can reduce the risk of knee injuries.

[mambo3]

NA is always talking about how well they trained. Is this the end product?

[wingnut]

We had an injury crisis last season. Everyone expected all bar Jem to be back at the start of this one only we now have a crisis even worse than last season's. This cannot be a coincidence. Something is seriously wrong with our conditioning and training sessions.

I don't expect we'll see a first team (including bench) this season that contains Guthrie, Williams, Jem, Hal and McCleary

[Royal Lady]

We had an injury crisis last season. Everyone expected all bar Jem to be back at the start of this one only we now have a crisis even worse than last season's. This cannot be a coincidence. Something is seriously wrong with our conditioning and training sessions.

I don't expect we'll see a first team (including bench) this season that contains Guthrie, Williams, Jem, Hal and McCleary

Certainly does seem like too much of a coincidence doesn't it. Williams definitely said 6-8 weeks to us, and I heard him say the same to someone else the other day too, but the others are all quite cagey about their perceived returns - though I think Karacan has mentioned in a tweet that he's started light training or something.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Maybe the are all being kept out for the same possible reason(s) as Drenthe - we can't afford* to play them or don't want them in the team anymore.

[Norfolk Royal]

Adkins used to be a physio of course, somewhat ironically.

thats why it is extremely worrying that we constantly pick up injuries in training. surely his past experiences being a physio would help limit these injuries...

That's why I used the word 'ironically.'

[USA_Loyal_Royal]

Adkins used to be a physio of course, somewhat ironically.

thats why it is extremely worrying that we constantly pick up injuries in training. surely his past experiences being a physio would help limit these injuries...

That's why I used the word 'ironically.'

im aware mate. i was just reinforcing your point.

[Davezk]

Americans always have to spell everything out I enjoyed the initial subtlety.

[Nameless]

Has anyone looked carefully at the injuries and how they were actually caused ? Jem's was obviously an impact injury, McCleary's sounds like wear and tear , Williams a long term thing that didn't respond to treatment. Pog got a dead leg in a game, how many are actually training related or in other ways preventable ?

I'm not arguing either way, just would be interested in the facts !

[Einstein agogo]

Stretching is a waste of time , I'm surprised so many people fall for it. Your muscles' will go back to normal positions in minutes
You need to stretch , endlessly for day after day for any increase in muscle length and what point is that unless you want to do the splits.
Warming up , gradually is ok.
What i think we have here is an anomaly in the probability of injury graph

[Royal Lady]

I remember Guthrie injuring himself whilst warming up before an away game, was it Bournemouth last season? I remarked at the time that they looked more like they were dancing and some of their hip moves would have made mine pop out.

[Nameless]

I remarked at the time that they looked more like they were dancing and some of their hip moves would have made mine pop out.

Yeah, but they are young in and in reasonable physical condition.....

[Extended-Phenotype]

Has anyone looked carefully at the injuries and how they were actually caused ? Jem's was obviously an impact injury, McCleary's sounds like wear and tear , Williams a long term thing that didn't respond to treatment. Pog got a dead leg in a game, how many are actually training related or in other ways preventable ?

I'm not arguing either way, just would be interested in the facts !

The facts are we have a longer injury list than our matchday team sheet and the chances of this being down to coincidence is millions to one.

[Ian Royal]

Has anyone looked carefully at the injuries and how they were actually caused ? Jem's was obviously an impact injury, McCleary's sounds like wear and tear , Williams a long term thing that didn't respond to treatment. Pog got a dead leg in a game, how many are actually training related or in other ways preventable ?

I'm not arguing either way, just would be interested in the facts !

Here's my best attempt at a summary for you.

Kelly - presumably training related as he hasn't played for ages.
Cummings - fouled in a match
Obita - fouled in a match
Hector - unknown, presumably training (not even sure he's injured though his absence from Scunny must mean he is).
Ferdinand - unfit, not injured
Karacan - fouled in a match
Williams - history of problems - medical team could do better?
Guthrie - strain in a match, don't think there was a foul. Recovered, made a sub appearance and disappeared again, word is a problem on the other leg - may have been favouring one to protect the other and caused problems
McCleary - combination of knocks and problems - medical team could do better?
HRK - fouled during a pre-season game
Pog - knock during a game

Am I missing anyone?

Now you can question the robustness of the players we have, and possibly whether our training is leaving them vulnerable to injury when they're fouled. You can also argue that our medical team could do better on a number once the injury has happened. But I don't see many that are examples of long term injuries caused directly by the training methods, so it could genuinely just be terrible luck.

Particularly for those who've had problems since last season like McCleary, Williams and Guthrie, who seem to have been rushed back too soon at times to aid the play off attempt. Maybe now we're looking at consolidating we're playing a more cautious game on player returns.

[RoyalBlue]

Has anyone looked carefully at the injuries and how they were actually caused ? Jem's was obviously an impact injury, McCleary's sounds like wear and tear , Williams a long term thing that didn't respond to treatment. Pog got a dead leg in a game, how many are actually training related or in other ways preventable ?

I'm not arguing either way, just would be interested in the facts !

Here's my best attempt at a summary for you.

Kelly - presumably training related as he hasn't played for ages.
Cummings - fouled in a match
Obita - fouled in a match
Hector - unknown, presumably training (not even sure he's injured though his absence from Scunny must mean he is).
Ferdinand - unfit, not injured
Karacan - fouled in a match
Williams - history of problems - medical team could do better?
Guthrie - strain in a match, don't think there was a foul. Recovered, made a sub appearance and disappeared again, word is a problem on the other leg - may have been favouring one to protect the other and caused problems
McCleary - combination of knocks and problems - medical team could do better?
HRK - fouled during a pre-season game
Pog - knock during a game

Am I missing anyone?

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Tshibola - another training injury.