Simon Church

[Royalee]

It's all very well McDermott praising Church for running himself into the ground, but running about is only good if you're applying pressure to the opposition and forcing them into mistakes

You mean like the numerous times he harried the defence / keeper into clearing it straight into touch / to a Reading player?

Sprinting when he's 40 yards away from the keeper for a nothing ball doesn't count Ian.

[Ian Royal]

It's all very well McDermott praising Church for running himself into the ground, but running about is only good if you're applying pressure to the opposition and forcing them into mistakes

You mean like the numerous times he harried the defence / keeper into clearing it straight into touch / to a Reading player?

Sprinting when he's 40 yards away from the keeper for a nothing ball doesn't count Ian.

But it would count if it got the same result and he was sprinting from 10 yards?

[Royalee]

No, it just means Watford's keeper is incredibly shit.

[Ian Royal]

No, it just means Watford's keeper is incredibly shit.

Ahh, I see. You don't like him, so he can't have had a positive impact, it must be the Watford players just being shit.

Well that makes sense then.

[Royalee]

No, it just means Watford's keeper is incredibly shit.

Ahh, I see. You don't like him, so he can't have had a positive impact, it must be the Watford players just being shit.

Well that makes sense then.

No, I just can see the difference between running around a lot for lost causes and actually applying valid pressure and causing the opposition problems like ALF did on the short time he was on.

[Ian Royal]

I think that any pressure which leads to a turn over in possession is of benefit personally.

[FiNeRaIn]

More church hating as usual. Yet karacan is Xavi.

Can't wait until we sell church to a team with creative midfielders who play the ball on the deck and are able to pick up the smart runs he makes. Then it'll be " we should never have sold him like cox, wah wah wah". He works hard, makes intelligent runs and there are flashes he could be a goalscorer if given a long run in team. For whatever reason he's the new hate child like karacan is the new love child...yet the only thing karacan does is run around in the middle of the park. He can't pass, he can't shoot, he never creates and is easily bypassed by the top ball playing midfielders in this division yet he's exempt from any of that because he has a good engine. Why is it that only centre mids are allowed one attribute in the eyes of Reading fans yet church who apparently seems to only run around a lot... seems prone to the biggest slating each week.

[melonhead]

i h8 the slagging of any player- church is ok, and if he gets into some confident form he'll do ok at this level


no one, not even his biggest fans have ever said jem is anything like xavi

[Ian Royal]

Karacan is like Xavi.

[peterroyal76]

More church hating as usual. Yet karacan is Xavi.

Can't wait until we sell church to a team with creative midfielders who play the ball on the deck and are able to pick up the smart runs he makes. Then it'll be " we should never have sold him like cox, wah wah wah". He works hard, makes intelligent runs and there are flashes he could be a goalscorer if given a long run in team. For whatever reason he's the new hate child like karacan is the new love child...yet the only thing karacan does is run around in the middle of the park. He can't pass, he can't shoot, he never creates and is easily bypassed by the top ball playing midfielders in this division yet he's exempt from any of that because he has a good engine. Why is it that only centre mids are allowed one attribute in the eyes of Reading fans yet church who apparently seems to only run around a lot... seems prone to the biggest slating each week.

I agree with you that he has become the new 'hate child', he does run around a lot which is no bad thing, but he should be more than that. He doesn't look confident for some reason, I know he needs a goal, but he IS playing regularly and should and could be doing better. My main issue isn't his lack of goals (I think this will come) its that he gets knocked over far too easily and he's pretty slow getting back and is then usually offside(although if we didn't play the long ball so much this may change).

[peterroyal76]

Karacan is like Xavi.

surely he's more like Iniesta!

[Woodcote Royal]

Can't wait until we sell church to a team with creative midfielders

If Church could command any sort of sizeable fee, I'd flog him and sign someone capable of giving Alf the service he needs.........................that alone would probably see us promoted.

[FiNeRaIn]

Can't wait until we sell church to a team with creative midfielders

I'd flog him and sign someone capable of giving Alf the service he needs

So you are suggesting we sell church...replace someone in midfield as thats where service comes from...and then use someone else up front to partner alfie? Who?

[Royalee]

Can't wait until we sell church to a team with creative midfielders

I'd flog him and sign someone capable of giving Alf the service he needs

So you are suggesting we sell church...replace someone in midfield as thats where service comes from...and then use someone else up front to partner alfie? Who?

Sheppard or Hunt, either would be a vast improvement on Church.

[FiNeRaIn]

You've never even seen sheppard play.

Hunt when fully fit and playing in form I would probably back that, but he's also seriously inconsistent.

[Royalee]

You've never even seen sheppard play.

Hunt when fully fit and playing in form I would probably back that, but he's also seriously inconsistent.

Church is consistent in his total lack of nouse, much rather have Hunt and there's no way he'd have scored some of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZgeAi6pPg&feature=related

[FiNeRaIn]

Royalee, the players from LOI sometimes struggle to make the step up to the SPL and I know your feelings on the SPL. Lets not get carried away about the standard here. I'm all for giving Sheppard a try if he proves in training he's upto it...BMD will be the judge of that. Church has proved he can play well at this level even if inconsistently at the moment.

[sandman]

You've never even seen sheppard play.

Hunt when fully fit and playing in form I would probably back that, but he's also seriously inconsistent.

Church is consistent in his total lack of nouse, much rather have Hunt and there's no way he'd have scored some of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZgeAi6pPg&feature=related

Can't see a perfectly measured chip from a tight angle at Elland Road on there.

[Ian Royal]

Is that a link to Sheppard's goals where he's under zero pressure from piss poor defenders for the vast majority?

LOLz if so.

[Royalee]

You've never even seen sheppard play.

Hunt when fully fit and playing in form I would probably back that, but he's also seriously inconsistent.

Church is consistent in his total lack of nouse, much rather have Hunt and there's no way he'd have scored some of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZgeAi6pPg&feature=related

Can't see a perfectly measured chip from a tight angle at Elland Road on there.

I remember Keith Scott scored a worldy against Bradford too.