Pauno out

[Stranded]

Yep don’t know how the poor lads coped with their 15m strikers, 7m goalkeepers, full Irish international regulars, experienced Prem players and expensive freebies in Reach and Mowatt

Anyway it’s nothing to do with WBA. I was taking issue calling our cobbled together bunch of cheap freebies, punts on semi retired players who didn’t have a preseason and academy lads who aren’t ready a decent team. Moore is the only one who wasn’t a free/loan in the first 11 wasn’t he?

Simple means of comparison given they were our opponents. There’s a fair amount of average Champ players in that squad and the fact they spent £15 million on the likes of Grant and Robinson is more a reflection on the club’s transfer policy rather than the players themselves

Not discrediting your point btw - it isn’t an ideal situation to be in. But like Sheffield, there and ways and means of approaching a game and that isn’t it, regardless of the hand you’re forced into. Having one highlight and it being a shot which went out for a throw in says enough

Just slightly on the side of Hound in the Hound v URRRZ debate on the strength of the two sides on Saturday
However with Hound quoting transfer fees of £15 million and £7 million for some of their players I thought it worth checking some of ours for the sake of balance:-
Moore £1.5 million
Rahman cost Chelsea £14 million
Dann cost Palace £6 million
Halilovic cost Barcelona £2 million
Dele-Bashiru was out of contract at City but Watford gave him a 6-year contract
Carroll cost Liverpool £34 million.

It was hardly a side made up of kids with no pedigree that also had Puscas (reputedly £8 million) as sub and one might have expected more than 0 shots on target.
Hopefully we will have a few more shots than that in the next 3 very important games otherwise Pauno might then be a goner.

At the risk of being accused of being overly optimistic

But of those you listed it's hardly a fair comparison.

Carroll cost 34million when he was 22/23 not a 32 year old, who hadn't had a club since last season
Dann cost Blackburn 6m when he was 24 not 34
Rahman has barely played since signing for Chelsea and been bustled around on loan, he would not be worth that sort of money today
TDB - major knee injury and with us to essentially get fit and prove he could do a job for Watford, if they come down -not PL ready.
Hallilovic's career is well documented - he wouldn't be here if he was the player Barca thought they were getting
Moore - was decent but, at best, let's call him stale.

So not a rosy comparison really but no shots on target is very poor - still unsure what the hell TDB was trying to do just before half time but to put the ball out for a throw in when baring down on goal like that is a new one.

[The Green Programme]

I think we need a reality check.

We have a mass of injuries.

If our squad was at full strength, we’d be competing for the play offs even with a six point deduction.

Pauno has done very well on the whole with a devastated squad and no money.

He has brought in and developed youngsters and has without doubt motivated the likes of Drinkwater and Carroll and Rahman and Dann and Halilovic, all of whom have shown real commitment and definitely more commitment than many previous loans and free transfers.

I thought that West Brom away was going to be a tough one; possibly a heavy defeat; they are a strong, aggressive, team that are highly motivated.

They are one of the best three teams in the league.

We had our best creative players missing and our two top strikers missing all season; our two best defensive midfielders missing; our first choice right back missing etc..,

We could’ve nicked a point. We lost to a single goal and had two very good chances to equalise and didn’t take them.

Let’s get a grip….

Hughton et al, reallly???

I literally feel physically sick at the thought of the dreariness of it all; reminds of Gourlay/Clement…. And that really was a dreadful, dreadful period of our history which haunts us today…

[leon]

I think we need a reality check.

We have a mass of injuries.

If our squad was at full strength, we’d be competing for the play offs even with a six point deduction.

Pauno has done very well on the whole with a devastated squad and no money.

He has brought in and developed youngsters and has without doubt motivated the likes of Drinkwater and Carroll and Rahman and Dann and Halilovic, all of whom have shown real commitment and definitely more commitment than many previous loans and free transfers.

I thought that West Brom away was going to be a tough one; possibly a heavy defeat; they are a strong, aggressive, team that are highly motivated.

They are one of the best three teams in the league.

We had our best creative players missing and our two top strikers missing all season; our two best defensive midfielders missing; our first choice right back missing etc..,

We could’ve nicked a point. We lost to a single goal and had two very good chances to equalise and didn’t take them.

Let’s get a grip….

Hughton et al, reallly???

I literally feel physically sick at the thought of the dreariness of it all; reminds of Gourlay/Clement…. And that really was a dreadful, dreadful period of our history which haunts us today…

Our form is poor and we’re in danger of getting relegated and you’re telling other people to get a grip? Ok.

[Zip]

I think we need a reality check.

We have a mass of injuries.

If our squad was at full strength, we’d be competing for the play offs even with a six point deduction.

Pauno has done very well on the whole with a devastated squad and no money.

He has brought in and developed youngsters and has without doubt motivated the likes of Drinkwater and Carroll and Rahman and Dann and Halilovic, all of whom have shown real commitment and definitely more commitment than many previous loans and free transfers.

I thought that West Brom away was going to be a tough one; possibly a heavy defeat; they are a strong, aggressive, team that are highly motivated.

They are one of the best three teams in the league.

We had our best creative players missing and our two top strikers missing all season; our two best defensive midfielders missing; our first choice right back missing etc..,

We could’ve nicked a point. We lost to a single goal and had two very good chances to equalise and didn’t take them.

Let’s get a grip….

Hughton et al, reallly???

I literally feel physically sick at the thought of the dreariness of it all; reminds of Gourlay/Clement…. And that really was a dreadful, dreadful period of our history which haunts us today…

Our form is poor and we’re in danger of getting relegated and you’re telling other people to get a grip? Ok.

Nonsense. We’re a full two points clear of the relegation zone. Nothing to see here.

[Brogue]

51 points from our last 46 games.
2 points above the drop
2 wins in 10

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job.

[Hound]

51 points from our last 46 games.
2 points above the drop
2 wins in 10

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job.

just goes round in circles though doesn't it - yes we're on poor form, but a huge caveat of an insane injury list

Its very difficult to judge how well he'd do with even half of those missing players back - we've had good runs of form when we've had a consistent team - but yes also some poor ones as well.

Don't think he quite deserves to go myself - yet. But 100% need to get back on a winning run. Had couple of decent performances before the WBA one, so hopefully can get that again vs Luton

[andrew1957]

Personally I think with the injuries we have had this season and with the 6 point deduction it is a miracle we are not in the bottom 3.

I just don't see the point of getting rid of a manager in these circumstances. Let's just hope that the bad luck with injuries stops and that Pauno has more players to pick from and a fitter squad for the second half and then we will see how well he can do.

[paultheroyal]

I think we need a reality check.

We have a mass of injuries.

If our squad was at full strength, we’d be competing for the play offs even with a six point deduction.

Pauno has done very well on the whole with a devastated squad and no money.

He has brought in and developed youngsters and has without doubt motivated the likes of Drinkwater and Carroll and Rahman and Dann and Halilovic, all of whom have shown real commitment and definitely more commitment than many previous loans and free transfers.

I thought that West Brom away was going to be a tough one; possibly a heavy defeat; they are a strong, aggressive, team that are highly motivated.

They are one of the best three teams in the league.

We had our best creative players missing and our two top strikers missing all season; our two best defensive midfielders missing; our first choice right back missing etc..,

We could’ve nicked a point. We lost to a single goal and had two very good chances to equalise and didn’t take them.

Let’s get a grip….

Hughton et al, reallly???

I literally feel physically sick at the thought of the dreariness of it all; reminds of Gourlay/Clement…. And that really was a dreadful, dreadful period of our history which haunts us today…

You not seen the league table? With or without points deductions?

Not seen the latest stats over the last few games with attempts on goal?

Not seen our results and amazing home form since the turn of the year?

I have got a grip thanks, but its loosening, very quickly.

[Uke]

Paul Cook anyone, English and knows the game at our level

Great drummer, really held the band together

[Stranded]

According to reports - Swift, Drinkwater, Yiadom and Ejaria will all be fit for Saturday meaning we could have a full 18 man squad of established first team players for god knows how long.

If so, then if we don't begin to see an uptick in form esp with Luton, Peterborough and Derby in the next 4 games, then we and VP as manager will be in trouble.

[Snowflake Royal]

51 points from our last 46 games.
2 points above the drop
2 wins in 10

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job.

just goes round in circles though doesn't it - yes we're on poor form, but a huge caveat of an insane injury list

Its very difficult to judge how well he'd do with even half of those missing players back - we've had good runs of form when we've had a consistent team - but yes also some poor ones as well.

Don't think he quite deserves to go myself - yet. But 100% need to get back on a winning run. Had couple of decent performances before the WBA one, so hopefully can get that again vs Luton

Injuries weren’t that bad tail end of last season...

Think it's cloud cuckoo land to see people declaiming we'd be top 6 ish without the injuries.

We could also be almost exactly where we are now anyway.

Still no point in pulling the trigger, mind

[Hound]

51 points from our last 46 games.
2 points above the drop
2 wins in 10

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job.

just goes round in circles though doesn't it - yes we're on poor form, but a huge caveat of an insane injury list

Its very difficult to judge how well he'd do with even half of those missing players back - we've had good runs of form when we've had a consistent team - but yes also some poor ones as well.

Don't think he quite deserves to go myself - yet. But 100% need to get back on a winning run. Had couple of decent performances before the WBA one, so hopefully can get that again vs Luton

Injuries weren’t that bad tail end of last season...

Think it's cloud cuckoo land to see people declaiming we'd be top 6 ish without the injuries.

We could also be almost exactly where we are now anyway.

Still no point in pulling the trigger, mind

yeah indeed - we've had poor runs with a nearly fit squad as well as good ones. Which is why its difficult to just blame injuries

but then 7th was still half decent etc, and the injuries this year have been an absolute joke. Hence why I find it difficult to really have a strong opinion on it either way

[Hound]

According to reports - Swift, Drinkwater, Yiadom and Ejaria will all be fit for Saturday meaning we could have a full 18 man squad of established first team players for god knows how long.

If so, then if we don't begin to see an uptick in form esp with Luton, Peterborough and Derby in the next 4 games, then we and VP as manager will be in trouble.

are these actual reports of Low just regurgitating stuff?

I do wonder if we did save a few of them for this game/run of games rather than risk them playing WBA where we'd prob lose anyway

[Stranded]

just goes round in circles though doesn't it - yes we're on poor form, but a huge caveat of an insane injury list

Its very difficult to judge how well he'd do with even half of those missing players back - we've had good runs of form when we've had a consistent team - but yes also some poor ones as well.

Don't think he quite deserves to go myself - yet. But 100% need to get back on a winning run. Had couple of decent performances before the WBA one, so hopefully can get that again vs Luton

Injuries weren’t that bad tail end of last season...

Think it's cloud cuckoo land to see people declaiming we'd be top 6 ish without the injuries.

We could also be almost exactly where we are now anyway.

Still no point in pulling the trigger, mind

yeah indeed - we've had poor runs with a nearly fit squad as well as good ones. Which is why its difficult to just blame injuries

but then 7th was still half decent etc, and the injuries this year have been an absolute joke. Hence why I find it difficult to really have a strong opinion on it either way

Yep - am not VP in or VP out - we're not so great I'll be annoyed to seem him move on and we're not so bad that he HAS TO GO! Simply we are trying to tread water until things improve - we may go under or we may find a raft to hang on to for a bit.

As for last year, yep we totally ran out of steam in the second half of the season which was more than disappointing but again I feel it can't be underestimated that whilst the clubs around us were able to strengthen, bring in fresh legs - we weren't (and we all now know for sure why we didn't). So whilst that won't have been the only reason - it will have impacted us.

For example, brining Dike's goals in (9 in 19) definitely boosted Barnsley at a key time.

[WestYorksRoyal]

According to reports - Swift, Drinkwater, Yiadom and Ejaria will all be fit for Saturday meaning we could have a full 18 man squad of established first team players for god knows how long.

If so, then if we don't begin to see an uptick in form esp with Luton, Peterborough and Derby in the next 4 games, then we and VP as manager will be in trouble.

are these actual reports of Low just regurgitating stuff?

I do wonder if we did save a few of them for this game/run of games rather than risk them playing WBA where we'd prob lose anyway

Normally I'd agree, but WBA had problems of their own due to Covid. A stronger line up could have won IMO. But I guess we have some big fixtures coming up.

[Stranded]

According to reports - Swift, Drinkwater, Yiadom and Ejaria will all be fit for Saturday meaning we could have a full 18 man squad of established first team players for god knows how long.

If so, then if we don't begin to see an uptick in form esp with Luton, Peterborough and Derby in the next 4 games, then we and VP as manager will be in trouble.

are these actual reports of Low just regurgitating stuff?

I do wonder if we did save a few of them for this game/run of games rather than risk them playing WBA where we'd prob lose anyway

Normally I'd agree, but WBA had problems of their own due to Covid. A stronger line up could have won IMO. But I guess we have some big fixtures coming up.

Maybe but say Swift was only 70% fit and playing him makes it worse then giving him another week to be right makes more sense. His performances have tailed off a bit, which could be a result of playing through an injury.

[South Coast Royal]

Simple means of comparison given they were our opponents. There’s a fair amount of average Champ players in that squad and the fact they spent £15 million on the likes of Grant and Robinson is more a reflection on the club’s transfer policy rather than the players themselves

Not discrediting your point btw - it isn’t an ideal situation to be in. But like Sheffield, there and ways and means of approaching a game and that isn’t it, regardless of the hand you’re forced into. Having one highlight and it being a shot which went out for a throw in says enough

Just slightly on the side of Hound in the Hound v URRRZ debate on the strength of the two sides on Saturday
However with Hound quoting transfer fees of £15 million and £7 million for some of their players I thought it worth checking some of ours for the sake of balance:-
Moore £1.5 million
Rahman cost Chelsea £14 million
Dann cost Palace £6 million
Halilovic cost Barcelona £2 million
Dele-Bashiru was out of contract at City but Watford gave him a 6-year contract
Carroll cost Liverpool £34 million.

It was hardly a side made up of kids with no pedigree that also had Puscas (reputedly £8 million) as sub and one might have expected more than 0 shots on target.
Hopefully we will have a few more shots than that in the next 3 very important games otherwise Pauno might then be a goner.

At the risk of being accused of being overly optimistic

But of those you listed it's hardly a fair comparison.

Carroll cost 34million when he was 22/23 not a 32 year old, who hadn't had a club since last season
Dann cost Blackburn 6m when he was 24 not 34
Rahman has barely played since signing for Chelsea and been bustled around on loan, he would not be worth that sort of money today
TDB - major knee injury and with us to essentially get fit and prove he could do a job for Watford, if they come down -not PL ready.
Hallilovic's career is well documented - he wouldn't be here if he was the player Barca thought they were getting
Moore - was decent but, at best, let's call him stale.

So not a rosy comparison really but no shots on target is very poor - still unsure what the hell TDB was trying to do just before half time but to put the ball out for a throw in when baring down on goal like that is a new one.

As I posted, I was slightly in favour of Hound's stance and the transfer figures were for information purposes as he had mentioned what some of WBA's players had cost without comment upon their capability.
It was not meant as a comparison of current abilities for either side.

[Hound]

and I'm willing to accept that transfer fees aren't necessarily relative to a players ability - think Sone Aluko

[Snowflake Royal]

and I'm willing to accept that transfer fees aren't necessarily relative to a players ability - think Sone Aluko

Do we have to?

Can we not think Nicky Shorey?

[Lower West]

I think we need a reality check.

We have a mass of injuries.

If our squad was at full strength, we’d be competing for the play offs even with a six point deduction.

Pauno has done very well on the whole with a devastated squad and no money.

He has brought in and developed youngsters and has without doubt motivated the likes of Drinkwater and Carroll and Rahman and Dann and Halilovic, all of whom have shown real commitment and definitely more commitment than many previous loans and free transfers.

I thought that West Brom away was going to be a tough one; possibly a heavy defeat; they are a strong, aggressive, team that are highly motivated.

They are one of the best three teams in the league.

We had our best creative players missing and our two top strikers missing all season; our two best defensive midfielders missing; our first choice right back missing etc..,

We could’ve nicked a point. We lost to a single goal and had two very good chances to equalise and didn’t take them.

Let’s get a grip….

Hughton et al, reallly???

I literally feel physically sick at the thought of the dreariness of it all; reminds of Gourlay/Clement…. And that really was a dreadful, dreadful period of our history which haunts us today…

You not seen the league table? With or without points deductions?

Not seen the latest stats over the last few games with attempts on goal?

Not seen our results and amazing home form since the turn of the year?

I have got a grip thanks, but its loosening, very quickly.

In nine games this season we have had two shots or fewer on goal. The lowest in the division. Keeping possession and nicking a single goal is where Stam's game plan eventually came unstuck.