Rival Watch

[Zip]

Reading’s additional issue, as it has been all season, is the crippling injury problems which really haven’t eased at all. 3 or 4 players were added to the list after Cardiff on top of the 5 already out. Now a couple of those may make the cut on Friday but it can’t help matters with the continual inability to train with anything like a full squad. Compare this with Peterborough (looks like none injured), Derby (2) and Barnsley (4) and you can perhaps see why there is a bit of extra pessimism about Reading’s chances.

Yep the injury crisis has never gone away. It eased a bit but losing Swift, TDB and anybody else on top of the 5 or 6 (Is Dann out?) is bad news.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

The magic number highlights just how little margin for error Derby have.

If they lose two games, we basically have to gain no points for them to catch us.

This is why I'm personally happy to write them off. It's theoretically possible for them to do it, but the change in form for us is implausible, as is the change in form for them. To the point I think that practically it is all but impossible.

I don't think we're going to lose 5 games. I don't think we'll lose 4. I don't think Derby will win 3.

Think I posted on a separate thread last night that Derby cannot afford to draw twice and lose once, or worse, otherwise there is no margin for error then and they HAVE to win every game from that point onwards, or if we win 1 more game should they do the aforementioned, then they would be relegated. As much as Derby could win 3 of their last 5, I think it's far more likely that they will draw twice and lose once (or worse).

I don't think I'd describe it as "practically impossible", but it's certainly unlikely.

It's the combination of us totally dropping a bollock and them drastically improving at the exact same time, right at the death that rules it out for me.

You'll be right 95 times in 100, maybe better, with that view. Obviously would not be so complacent if I was anyway involved in the club getting results.

Regardless of whether to all intents and purposes we're safe or not. It's still a case of try to win every game.

Yes - that's what it is.

And bookies agree....last time I looked (weekend) odds to go down were Peterboro 1/1000, Derby 1/60, Barnsley 1/20

[Zip]

Yaks appears to be back in training looking at his Inst account. Good news.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Yaks appears to be back in training looking at his Inst account. Good news.

Yes just seen...think Ince is opposite to Pauno re recovery times...seems to take worst case scenario...

Hope TDB scan is ok (whatever it was for) he's looked decent recently and if fit I'd start him Friday

[Stranded]

Yaks appears to be back in training looking at his Inst account. Good news.

Yes just seen...think Ince is opposite to Pauno re recovery times...seems to take worst case scenario...

Hope TDB scan is ok (whatever it was for) he's looked decent recently and if fit I'd start him Friday

Be a boost if Meite is on the bench on Friday and yes, if TDB is fit, he is most likely to come in for Swift unless Ince decides to see what Ejaria can do from a more central attacking role, where defending isn't quite as important as out wide.

[Hound]

Saw that Kirchner was intending to pay less than 10p in the pound to Derbys non football creditors

So not only a 15pt deduction next season but surely any sympathy for them should soon go if that’s the case

Blow a load on players and then pay the creditors less than 10% of what you owe them - gits

[Silver Fox]

Is he going to pay their footballing creditors one day?

Asking for an Arsenal

[Zip]

Saw that Kirchner was intending to pay less than 10p in the pound to Derbys non football creditors

So not only a 15pt deduction next season but surely any sympathy for them should soon go if that’s the case

Blow a load on players and then pay the creditors less than 10% of what you owe them - gits

Wow. No wonder this has all taken so long. All the sympathy for Derby's self inflicted plight should go out of the window but it won’t and if they stay up the press will be unbearable.

[Hound]

Is he going to pay their footballing creditors one day?

Asking for an Arsenal

I think they have to as part of the takeover. Guessing that’s why Arsenal haven’t kicked off

[Snowflake Royal]

Lose your right to play in the league if you don’t pay football creditors in full, don’t you?

[Weymouth Royal]

Lose your right to play in the league if you don’t pay football creditors in full, don’t you?

Pompey should have suffered that fate but didn't. It's no wonder clubs don't respect the rules when there's so much inconsistency.

[Stranded]

Saw that Kirchner was intending to pay less than 10p in the pound to Derbys non football creditors

So not only a 15pt deduction next season but surely any sympathy for them should soon go if that’s the case

Blow a load on players and then pay the creditors less than 10% of what you owe them - gits

Where has this been reported as all I've seen is that he is said to the EFL that he will pay creditor 35p in the pound over the next 3 years - which is apparently in line with EFL rules and will avoid a points deduction next season. That would only come in to play if they don't hit the 35p in the agreed timescale.

[Mr Optimist]

I thought how it works is the multimillionaire footballers still receive their £20k a week in full but St John’s Ambulance and other “non football” related creditors, such as local small business suppliers, get shafted with the 10p in the £?

Sure that happened at Portsmouth…I’m sure certain footballers refusing to accept less than their full whack owed to them under the FL rules, caused some unrest down there when the players names were leaked.

[Stranded]

I thought how it works is the multimillionaire footballers still receive their £20k a week in full but St John’s Ambulance and other “non football” related creditors, such as local small business suppliers, get shafted with the 10p in the £?

Sure that happened at Portsmouth…I’m sure certain footballers refusing to accept less than their full whack owed to them under the FL rules, caused some unrest down there when the players names were leaked.

Rules changed, probably after Portsmouth. If you don't pay 25p in the pound, you can exit admin but with a further points deductions. The only potential out of it is paying 10p more but with a 3 year payment plan. So he could pay 10p now and the remaining 25p by 2025.

[Sutekh]

I thought how it works is the multimillionaire footballers still receive their £20k a week in full but St John’s Ambulance and other “non football” related creditors, such as local small business suppliers, get shafted with the 10p in the £?

Sure that happened at Portsmouth…I’m sure certain footballers refusing to accept less than their full whack owed to them under the FL rules, caused some unrest down there when the players names were leaked.

It really is disgusting if there is still any difference between football and non-football creditors, everyone should be treated in the exactly same fashion whether the creditor is a local charity/business or the one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Also if money on a player’s transfer fee is still outstanding, then I think the club owed should be able to insist on the selling of that player, or at least that that player is sidelined so as to reduce chances of injuries, in the next window.

[Stranded]

I thought how it works is the multimillionaire footballers still receive their £20k a week in full but St John’s Ambulance and other “non football” related creditors, such as local small business suppliers, get shafted with the 10p in the £?

Sure that happened at Portsmouth…I’m sure certain footballers refusing to accept less than their full whack owed to them under the FL rules, caused some unrest down there when the players names were leaked.

It really is disgusting if there is still any difference between football and non-football creditors, everyone should be treated in the exactly same fashion whether the creditor is a local charity/business or the one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Also if money on a player’s transfer fee is still outstanding, then I think the club owed should be able to insist on the selling of that player, or at least that that player is sidelined so as to reduce chances of injuries, in the next window.

That has been one of the issues for some with Derby - Arsenal allowed them to delay a payment (or poss 2) for Bieliek as they know they will get the money once the club leaves admin but not if they were liquidated - so no point pushing the point. Derby could still play a player they have not paid for and may never have had to pay for if they went bust after season end, so could well give them an unfair advantage.

[Hound]

Saw that Kirchner was intending to pay less than 10p in the pound to Derbys non football creditors

So not only a 15pt deduction next season but surely any sympathy for them should soon go if that’s the case

Blow a load on players and then pay the creditors less than 10% of what you owe them - gits

Where has this been reported as all I've seen is that he is said to the EFL that he will pay creditor 35p in the pound over the next 3 years - which is apparently in line with EFL rules and will avoid a points deduction next season. That would only come in to play if they don't hit the 35p in the agreed timescale.

Sky sports news paper round up - this was in the Mail apparently

[Franchise FC]

Saw that Kirchner was intending to pay less than 10p in the pound to Derbys non football creditors

So not only a 15pt deduction next season but surely any sympathy for them should soon go if that’s the case

Blow a load on players and then pay the creditors less than 10% of what you owe them - gits

Where has this been reported as all I've seen is that he is said to the EFL that he will pay creditor 35p in the pound over the next 3 years - which is apparently in line with EFL rules and will avoid a points deduction next season. That would only come in to play if they don't hit the 35p in the agreed timescale.

Sky sports news paper round up - this was in the Mail apparently

The same paper that says we’re at war

[Mr Angry]

Here is yesterday's article from Mailonline:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ction.html

Before Derby fans crack open the champagne however:

"Sportsmail understands Kirchner has offered between £25-30million for the club, although there is doubt among some as to whether he currently has the money or needs other investors to come on board."

"Creditors - including HMRC, who are owed nearly £30m - must agree to the settlement offer or Derby risks liquidation. Sources say HMRC would have to quarter its outstanding tax bill to make Kirchner's offer viable."

"We are told Kirchner has previously produced a statement from a merchant bank with a balance in excess of £60m. The source of his funds is not yet known. The 34-year-old says it is from crypto-currency investments."

That all seems pretty stable and above board then.......................................

[Hendo]

Crypto? oxf*rd lol. Might as well just liquidate them now, gives them a head start on creating a Phoenix club, cut that bubble is bursting soon.