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Re: Rival Watch

by SCIAG » 18 Dec 2021 20:07

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SCIAG Yeah there's a lot of red flags in Andrew's account, obviously it's great that he had a spontaneous remission and eating healthily is a good idea in any case but I don't think anyone should use him as an example.

Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. If you want to speak to someone about personal nutrition, speak to a dietician.

Candida is a very popular boogeyman with "alternative medicine" types. It seems like Andrew's nutritionist "diagnosed" him with Invasive Candidiasis, which is not something you cure by cutting out sugar! If you don't get antifungal treatment then prognosis is very poor.

Sugar doesn't "feed" cancer any more than any other energy source, your body can break down almost anything you eat into glucose and then to ATP and all cells, cancerous or not, need that for energy. Sugar adds calories but it isn't carcinogenic.

The real kicker is the line about the immune system being at 95% and then 100%. This is just nonsense. With something like blood oxygen levels, sure, you can quantify that as a percentage pretty easily. But the immune system? It's far too complex. On a population level we could say that e.g. taking steroids tends to suppress your B lymphocytes by X%. But to the best of my knowledge, there is no way of measuring that and little clinical use.

Honestly, it sounds very much like someone who knows what the customer wants to hear and tells them it.

Andrew - if this is working for you then of course you will trust yourself over randomers on the internet. I would suggest, however, that you speak to your GP about whether the vaccine is safe for you. I would suggest that your cancer risk from the vaccine is likely to be lower than the cancer risk of walking down the road for a few minutes, breathing in car exhaust and getting UV light on your skin.


You say that anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. Well anyone can call themselves a solicitor but it does not mean anything if they have not been through law school. My nutritionist is well qualified - there are qualifications. And just for clarity I asked to see about the cancer her "after" I had discharged myself from the NHS. I sought her out. She was not trying to sell me anything. And she initially said that her general advice to all her clients was to take the NHS care AND also do the diet stuff which she had found improved the survival rate massively. I was the first and still only client who has ever refused NHS treatment under her care. She had no influence over me.

The difference between a nutritionist and a dietitian is that a dietitian just gives advice on diet whereas a nutritionist will also consider what every individual needs in terms of vitamin boosters etc to boost their gut health and immune system. I am sure dietitians do a good job but it is very one dimensional rather than holistic.

You are 100% wrong about candida. It can be fixed by diet alone. We don't need pharma drugs to solve every problem. I am not saying sugar is carcinogenic but rather that when you have cancer it feeds it. I cannot prove it by my belief is that in my case I cut off the food supply and the cancer just died. There might be no proof of my beliefs - but there are multiple medical trials that have shown how bad sugar is for most of us, so I cannot see that cutting it out/reducing the amount we consume can be bad for any of us.

All drugs/vaccines carry a low risk of cancer. Clearly as I am very prone to cancer it is my opinion that the risk to me will be much greater than the risk to an average person. As it happens I have no GP to talk to. I am registered at practice near where we now live but I have not been to see anyone there since we moved in 2017 as I have never even had a cold. I am just on a list with no GP appointed.

The nutritionist has a machine that measures the electrical currents through the body - much like acupuncture. I did not know such machines existed and I was super skeptical when I first met her many years ago (well before the cancer) but I knew I had issues that came up in an NHS blood test at that time. I did not tell her what those issues were but she was able to find them within 5 minutes. The machine does give immune system readings whether you believe it or not. She has told me she has a number of GPs who are clients - as the NHS has nothing remotely as advanced.

Re your final point I asked to see her. She has never tried to exert any influence over me and if anything tried to persuade me not to discharge myself from NHS care. When I went to see her my intention was just to live as long and as healthily as I could. I suppose I had accepted the death sentence and was in no way certain that I would survive and I think we were both profoundly shocked at how quickly I recovered and the cancer went.

It is a criminal offence to call yourself a solicitor when you are not, likewise a dietician. Contrastingly, a nutritionist is unregulated, and is not a medical professional. It's not correct to say that dieticians only consider diet while nutritionists will also consider vitamin boosters - a dietician in the UK will advise you to take a vitamin D supplement during the winter, for example.

I've encountered quite a few people who have been told that they had pervasive candida infection who actually had no such thing. One person was told they had it based on a stool they passed and photographed. Fortunately they still had the photograph. The stool was clearly not candida, but mucus. Some people have problematic infections in their mouth and upper respiratory tract, or their vagina. If you had it all through your body (which cancer patients sometimes do, particularly if you're on chemo to suppress your immune system) then you'd be in intensive care. It's one of the things that killed a lot of AIDS patients. A simple oral infection is easily detected via visual inspection, but to know it was in your gut, she would need to see into your gut.

Acupuncture is hokum. Sticking needles in people can provide an analgesic effect, but not on the principles that practitioners claim; there is no difference between "proper" acupuncture and "sham" acupuncture. If something is described as working on similar principles to acupuncture, it probably doesn't work! I appreciate that it might be you drawing the comparison rather than it being explicitly described by the nutritionist as being like acupuncture, but in any case, measuring immune functioning via electrical currents is complete nonsense.

When I say "see your GP" I don't mean seeing a single nominated doctor, I meant speaking to any doctor. You don't need to have a nominated individual in order to get an appointment. You could even do a phone appointment.

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Re: Rival Watch

by The Green Programme » 19 Dec 2021 00:55

Although undoubtedly of interest to the ‘posters’ , the relevance of the above interaction to this thread, is as a fish is to a bicycle or Swindon is to culture and civilisation.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Donny Ironside » 19 Dec 2021 09:22

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bcubed Is low vacc rare in EFL a fact ?
Source?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59686996


You can understand the players not wanting to risk be vaxxed. They are young and fit and don't need the covid vaccinations and are probably aware of all the players collapsing the pitch with heart issues recently - not that that has anything to do with the vaccinations of course - just coincidence!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... dence.html

I'm not an anti vaxxer at all but it is odd all of a sudden sports men at a high level are having heart issues

Would it take somebody to die on the pitch before its looked at?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Donny Ironside » 19 Dec 2021 09:46

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The main issue is sugar. I have come to believe through working with a fantastic private nutritionist that sugar feeds cancer. When I first saw her I was riddled with candida (yeast infection) in my gut. I was so badly infested with it that she could not even get a reading from me. I would have said that I had a good diet before that, but obviously not. I went on a 6 week diet where I cut out all sugar, all processed foods of any sort, dairy, most gluton, alcohol etc. I typically ate/still eat normal meals - no snacks, porridge + banana and usually eggs for breakfast, lots of salads and oily fish for lunch and meat/fish plus veg for evening meal. Nothing special. Just all good home cooked food. I also eat a lot of fruit (natural sugar) although she only allowed apples and bananas during the initial 6 week diet as some fruit like berries contain a lot of sugar. I daily took a liquid probiotic, vit C and D and frankincense oil (diffused in a base oil) and rubbed near the cancer externally. When I first saw her about the cancer at the start of May 2017, my immune system was barely working at all and so I have no doubt that I did have cancer and it was not a misdiagnosis. After 8 weeks I went back to see her. The candida had gone (and has not returned since) and my immune system was back working at 95%! Even she was staggered by the improvement over such a short time. Within 6 months my immune system was back to 100% and has been ever since. I had no cancer symptoms by November 2017 but as I said earlier did not go back to see anyone at the NHS until April 2018 - when they gave me the all clear. Amazingly the NHS have a booklet which states that diet has no effect on cancer and they seem entirely closed minded to the possibility - despite me being living proof.


thanks, interesting stuff. Would like to cut down on the sugar myself, once you're properly off it you dont even miss it do you? Highly addictive


Indeed. I used to struggle to walk up the chocolate isle in the supermarket without buying some. Now I don't miss it. Sugar is very addictive and responsible for a great deal of our ill health. Fizzy drinks (even diet ones) are also a major no no.

I eat chocolate for every meal along with my food even for breakfast. No fizzy drinks though.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 19 Dec 2021 13:15

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You can understand the players not wanting to risk be vaxxed. They are young and fit and don't need the covid vaccinations and are probably aware of all the players collapsing the pitch with heart issues recently - not that that has anything to do with the vaccinations of course - just coincidence!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... dence.html

I'm not an anti vaxxer at all but it is odd all of a sudden sports men at a high level are having heart issues

Would it take somebody to die on the pitch before its looked at?

You know this was happening long before Covid, right ?
It has nothing to do with vaccinations.

Once again, all you’re doing is feeding the anti-vax narrative by ignoring the facts


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Re: Rival Watch

by Donny Ironside » 19 Dec 2021 13:20

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You can understand the players not wanting to risk be vaxxed. They are young and fit and don't need the covid vaccinations and are probably aware of all the players collapsing the pitch with heart issues recently - not that that has anything to do with the vaccinations of course - just coincidence!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... dence.html

I'm not an anti vaxxer at all but it is odd all of a sudden sports men at a high level are having heart issues

Would it take somebody to die on the pitch before its looked at?

You know this was happening long before Covid, right ?
It has nothing to do with vaccinations.

Once again, all you’re doing is feeding the anti-vax narrative by ignoring the facts

I've read the facts and yes obviously it was happening but no in the same numbers

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 19 Dec 2021 13:30

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Donny Ironside I'm not an anti vaxxer at all but it is odd all of a sudden sports men at a high level are having heart issues

Would it take somebody to die on the pitch before its looked at?

You know this was happening long before Covid, right ?
It has nothing to do with vaccinations.

Once again, all you’re doing is feeding the anti-vax narrative by ignoring the facts

I've read the facts and yes obviously it was happening but no in the same numbers

Mark Vivien Foe, Fabrice Muamba, an unvaccinated Christian Eriksen
Not to mention the fact that Sergio Aguero was diagnosed years ago and had the condition managed until it couldn’t be.
What’s the list of those since Covid vaccinations started ?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Donny Ironside » 19 Dec 2021 13:35

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Franchise FC You know this was happening long before Covid, right ?
It has nothing to do with vaccinations.

Once again, all you’re doing is feeding the anti-vax narrative by ignoring the facts

I've read the facts and yes obviously it was happening but no in the same numbers

Mark Vivien Foe, Fabrice Muamba, an unvaccinated Christian Eriksen
Not to mention the fact that Sergio Aguero was diagnosed years ago and had the condition managed until it couldn’t be.
What’s the list of those since Covid vaccinations started ?

There's about 100 sportsmen in total just this year

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 19 Dec 2021 13:36

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Donny Ironside I've read the facts and yes obviously it was happening but no in the same numbers

Mark Vivien Foe, Fabrice Muamba, an unvaccinated Christian Eriksen
Not to mention the fact that Sergio Aguero was diagnosed years ago and had the condition managed until it couldn’t be.
What’s the list of those since Covid vaccinations started ?

There's about 100 sportsmen in total just this year

So list a few
And while you’re at it, list their vaccination status.
It may be that NOT having the vaccination is causing the problem


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Re: Rival Watch

by Donny Ironside » 19 Dec 2021 14:05

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Franchise FC Mark Vivien Foe, Fabrice Muamba, an unvaccinated Christian Eriksen
Not to mention the fact that Sergio Aguero was diagnosed years ago and had the condition managed until it couldn’t be.
What’s the list of those since Covid vaccinations started ?

There's about 100 sportsmen in total just this year

So list a few
And while you’re at it, list their vaccination status.
It may be that NOT having the vaccination is causing the problem

:|

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 19 Dec 2021 15:00

Mid Sussex Royal We won't be anywhere near the bottom three.

Barnsley and Derby haven't got enough points to pull it round and Peterborough are a poor side, they were very fortunate last week v millwall and lost today after leading to a side hopelessly out of form

if the game goes ahead on boxing day we will win there easily

I hope you're right, but think you are massively overconfident with no justification

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 19 Dec 2021 15:13

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Donny Ironside There's about 100 sportsmen in total just this year

So list a few
And while you’re at it, list their vaccination status.
It may be that NOT having the vaccination is causing the problem

:|


It is concerning. While some or all may not have had a vax needle anywhere near them the numbers in the last 6 months make it something that should be investigated particularly when the U.K. government itself shows evidence of a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination

If you want a few specifics about it then the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung ran an article on November 9 and listed around 20 footballers and officials of varying ages and participating at varying levels that it had found that had suffered problems (some fatal) while participating in games and no doubt there are others across other sports.

It absolutely may have little or nothing to do with vaccinations but it should be looked at as I would be concerned if I was lucky enough to be talented enough to play at a professional or good amateur level in any sport.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Fezza » 19 Dec 2021 20:05

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Franchise FC So list a few
And while you’re at it, list their vaccination status.
It may be that NOT having the vaccination is causing the problem

:|


It is concerning. While some or all may not have had a vax needle anywhere near them the numbers in the last 6 months make it something that should be investigated particularly when the U.K. government itself shows evidence of a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination

If you want a few specifics about it then the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung ran an article on November 9 and listed around 20 footballers and officials of varying ages and participating at varying levels that it had found that had suffered problems (some fatal) while participating in games and no doubt there are others across other sports.

It absolutely may have little or nothing to do with vaccinations but it should be looked at as I would be concerned if I was lucky enough to be talented enough to play at a professional or good amateur level in any sport.


Snopes have done an excellent piece factchecking these insinuations, on the videos they looked at there was NO evidence of the vaccination playing a part. The majority of collapsed were from dehydration, some were from players / refs who had had covid (which is significantly more likely to give you clots than the vaccine). Whilst concerns are understandable there has been a significant amount of unsubstantiated bollocks spouted about this, it's disappointing that trust in medical professionals and scientists remains so low!


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Re: Rival Watch

by Zip » 19 Dec 2021 20:08

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It is concerning. While some or all may not have had a vax needle anywhere near them the numbers in the last 6 months make it something that should be investigated particularly when the U.K. government itself shows evidence of a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination

If you want a few specifics about it then the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung ran an article on November 9 and listed around 20 footballers and officials of varying ages and participating at varying levels that it had found that had suffered problems (some fatal) while participating in games and no doubt there are others across other sports.

It absolutely may have little or nothing to do with vaccinations but it should be looked at as I would be concerned if I was lucky enough to be talented enough to play at a professional or good amateur level in any sport.


Snopes have done an excellent piece factchecking these insinuations, on the videos they looked at there was NO evidence of the vaccination playing a part. The majority of collapsed were from dehydration, some were from players / refs who had had covid (which is significantly more likely to give you clots than the vaccine). Whilst concerns are understandable there has been a significant amount of unsubstantiated bollocks spouted about this, it's disappointing that trust in medical professionals and scientists remains so low!


Good post

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 19 Dec 2021 20:11

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It is concerning. While some or all may not have had a vax needle anywhere near them the numbers in the last 6 months make it something that should be investigated particularly when the U.K. government itself shows evidence of a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination

If you want a few specifics about it then the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung ran an article on November 9 and listed around 20 footballers and officials of varying ages and participating at varying levels that it had found that had suffered problems (some fatal) while participating in games and no doubt there are others across other sports.

It absolutely may have little or nothing to do with vaccinations but it should be looked at as I would be concerned if I was lucky enough to be talented enough to play at a professional or good amateur level in any sport.


Snopes have done an excellent piece factchecking these insinuations, on the videos they looked at there was NO evidence of the vaccination playing a part. The majority of collapsed were from dehydration, some were from players / refs who had had covid (which is significantly more likely to give you clots than the vaccine). Whilst concerns are understandable there has been a significant amount of unsubstantiated bollocks spouted about this, it's disappointing that trust in medical professionals and scientists remains so low!


Good post


Absolutely
Put so much more eloquently than my ham-fisted attempt

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 20 Dec 2021 08:53

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It is concerning. While some or all may not have had a vax needle anywhere near them the numbers in the last 6 months make it something that should be investigated particularly when the U.K. government itself shows evidence of a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accination

If you want a few specifics about it then the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung ran an article on November 9 and listed around 20 footballers and officials of varying ages and participating at varying levels that it had found that had suffered problems (some fatal) while participating in games and no doubt there are others across other sports.

It absolutely may have little or nothing to do with vaccinations but it should be looked at as I would be concerned if I was lucky enough to be talented enough to play at a professional or good amateur level in any sport.


Snopes have done an excellent piece factchecking these insinuations, on the videos they looked at there was NO evidence of the vaccination playing a part. The majority of collapsed were from dehydration, some were from players / refs who had had covid (which is significantly more likely to give you clots than the vaccine). Whilst concerns are understandable there has been a significant amount of unsubstantiated bollocks spouted about this, it's disappointing that trust in medical professionals and scientists remains so low!


Good post


Every football club, leisure centre or managed sports facility should have a defibrillator on site. That's as a result of sudden cardiac arrests being surprisingly common (if still in low numbers). All this was realised way before Covid.

Of course you can't completely rule out the vax adding some additional risk - its only being used in the past 12 months. Would say on balance its probably very unlikely though generally, and Covid itself would present more of a risk for multiple reasons.

Slightly off topic - wtf do they put in that moderna one? Had the booster friday, haven't felt so unwell in years over the weekend. Like a massive hangover with the addition of somebody punching me in the arm to go with it. It better bloody work :)

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 20 Dec 2021 08:54

oh and great results over the weekend. Couldn't have asked for better. Bournemouth losing, all our close rivals losing, Brum getting smashed and slowly being pulled into the mix

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Re: Rival Watch

by Zip » 20 Dec 2021 08:59

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Snopes have done an excellent piece factchecking these insinuations, on the videos they looked at there was NO evidence of the vaccination playing a part. The majority of collapsed were from dehydration, some were from players / refs who had had covid (which is significantly more likely to give you clots than the vaccine). Whilst concerns are understandable there has been a significant amount of unsubstantiated bollocks spouted about this, it's disappointing that trust in medical professionals and scientists remains so low!


Good post


Every football club, leisure centre or managed sports facility should have a defibrillator on site. That's as a result of sudden cardiac arrests being surprisingly common (if still in low numbers). All this was realised way before Covid.

Of course you can't completely rule out the vax adding some additional risk - its only being used in the past 12 months. Would say on balance its probably very unlikely though generally, and Covid itself would present more of a risk for multiple reasons.

Slightly off topic - wtf do they put in that moderna one? Had the booster friday, haven't felt so unwell in years over the weekend. Like a massive hangover with the addition of somebody punching me in the arm to go with it. It better bloody work :)



The booster seems to have hit people hard. It was the only one I had a reaction to. I felt very tired that night and my arm aches for a while but no more than that. No idea which booster I had.

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by Hound » 20 Dec 2021 09:19

I had a bit of a fever on the first AZ - nothing major just felt a bit weird and had a poor sleep that night. Second jab nothing at all.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mid Sussex Royal » 20 Dec 2021 11:47

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Good post


Every football club, leisure centre or managed sports facility should have a defibrillator on site. That's as a result of sudden cardiac arrests being surprisingly common (if still in low numbers). All this was realised way before Covid.

Of course you can't completely rule out the vax adding some additional risk - its only being used in the past 12 months. Would say on balance its probably very unlikely though generally, and Covid itself would present more of a risk for multiple reasons.

Slightly off topic - wtf do they put in that moderna one? Had the booster friday, haven't felt so unwell in years over the weekend. Like a massive hangover with the addition of somebody punching me in the arm to go with it. It better bloody work :)



The booster seems to have hit people hard. It was the only one I had a reaction to. I felt very tired that night and my arm aches for a while but no more than that. No idea which booster I had.



Yep same, had aching arm for 2 days and was generally unwell after the booster

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