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Re: Reap what you sow

by Royal Rother » 22 Aug 2011 18:26

Royal Lady Well,I suppose if we've paid for a ST up front in good faith that we'll be seeing some good football, it kind of makes sense to keep going to see if we're right - rather than sitting at home having wasted our money. When it appears we're not getting what we thought we'd paid for, it seems fair comment to remark upon it on an internet message board.


Yep, I agree totally, you comment away to your heart's content; and as a supporter of fluctuating commitment over the last 45 years I think it seems reasonable for me to enter into discussion on an internet forum about the way the club is run - whether I spend my Saturday afternoons at the stadium or not.

Glad we have some accord on this.

You will understand I was merely highlighting my disdain for today's attempt from VM at oneupmanship.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Royal Lady » 22 Aug 2011 18:27

Ian Royal - :roll: Because in recent years we have had a lot more money coming in. In the 80s for example, even though we sold the likes of Webb, Dixon, Sanchez etc - we didn't expect to spend big to replace them - we knew our limitations and we knew we were making big losses then - but in just the last 12 months we've sold 3 players for millions - so expecting a small percentage to be re-invested without the usual "we have no money, we have to cut our cloth" diatribe isn't too much to ask shirley?

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:29

Royal Lady :roll: Because in recent years we have had a lot more money coming in. In the 80s for example, even though we sold the likes of Webb, Dixon, Sanchez etc - we didn't expect to spend big to replace them - we knew our limitations and we knew we were making big losses then - but in just the last 12 months we've sold 3 players for millions - so expecting a small percentage to be re-invested without the usual "we have no money, we have to cut our cloth" diatribe isn't too much to ask shirley?


Like with signing Leigertwood, bringing in Khumalo on loan, signing Jack Mills and bidding for Paul Robinson?

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Royal Lady » 22 Aug 2011 18:30

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Royal Lady :roll: Because in recent years we have had a lot more money coming in. In the 80s for example, even though we sold the likes of Webb, Dixon, Sanchez etc - we didn't expect to spend big to replace them - we knew our limitations and we knew we were making big losses then - but in just the last 12 months we've sold 3 players for millions - so expecting a small percentage to be re-invested without the usual "we have no money, we have to cut our cloth" diatribe isn't too much to ask shirley?


Like with singing Leigertwood, bringing in Khumalo on loan, signing Jack Mills and bidding for Paul Robinson?



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Re: Reap what you sow

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:30

:oops: Wrong one.


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Re: Reap what you sow

by Victor Meldrew » 22 Aug 2011 19:22

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Royal Lady Well,I suppose if we've paid for a ST up front in good faith that we'll be seeing some good football, it kind of makes sense to keep going to see if we're right - rather than sitting at home having wasted our money. When it appears we're not getting what we thought we'd paid for, it seems fair comment to remark upon it on an internet message board.


Yep, I agree totally, you comment away to your heart's content; and as a supporter of fluctuating commitment over the last 45 years I think it seems reasonable for me to enter into discussion on an internet forum about the way the club is run - whether I spend my Saturday afternoons at the stadium or not.

Glad we have some accord on this.

You will understand I was merely highlighting my disdain for today's attempt from VM at oneupmanship.


Nothing to do with oneupmanship-I just don't understand it.
As for Ian and me "daring" to raise the issue may I (as a reasonably successful businessman)suggest that you spend less time on here and work a bit harder to earn enough money to be able to afford to go and watch Reading every couple of weeks and then your views on the team performances might warrant a bit more respect as opposed to taking a view based on a few glimpses through your TV set.
As with most things in life there is nothing quite like the real thing.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 19:40

oxf*rd you, you oxf*rd.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Royal Rother » 22 Aug 2011 19:41

Nothing to do with oneupmanship at all. :lol:

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Victor Meldrew » 22 Aug 2011 20:49

Ian Royal oxf*rd you, you oxf*rd.


In English?


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Re: Reap what you sow

by Avon Royal » 22 Aug 2011 21:26

Victor Meldrew
Ian Royal oxf*rd you, you oxf*rd.


In English?


Damn you, you bounder.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by floyd__streete » 22 Aug 2011 21:29

Victor Meldrew - one of my favourite posters on HNA 8)

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Re: Reap what you sow

by SouthDownsRoyal » 22 Aug 2011 22:15

floyd__streete Victor Meldrew - one of my favourite posters on HNA 8)


you still updating your blog m8? got a link?

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Re: Reap what you sow

by floyd__streete » 23 Aug 2011 13:33

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floyd__streete Victor Meldrew - one of my favourite posters on HNA 8)


you still updating your blog m8? got a link?

cheers


Hi m8, link as below. Feel free to sl8 and m8ke me feel bad about myself x

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Re: Reap what you sow

by brendywendy » 23 Aug 2011 14:38

Royal Lady Well,I suppose if we've paid for a ST up front in good faith that we'll be seeing some good football, it kind of makes sense to keep going to see if we're right - rather than sitting at home having wasted our money. When it appears we're not getting what we thought we'd paid for, it seems fair comment to remark upon it on an internet message board.


im not sure the clubs ever guaranteed good football. just football.although tbf they have fluked upon some entertainment every now and again, imo of course.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Vision » 23 Aug 2011 15:13

What exactly are we reaping?

Seems to me a case could be made that we're seeing the benefits of our policy of investing in nurturing our own talent or polishing supposed turds and passing them off as gems.

Also I swear to hear people talk on here you'd think its been one successive season after another of abject failure. We've had one poor season in recent times and even that was a final day relegation from the heady heights of the Premiership, a Division some of the more vociferous complainers on HNA constantly predicted we'd never get to under JM.

Sure there are some disappointments but thats generally the lot of a football fan anyway. 2 play-off campaigns and 2 FA Cup quarter finals in 3 seasons is hardly armageddon.

Its 4 games into the season for oxf*rd sake.

I'll see your "reap what you sow" and raise you a "careful what you wish for"

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by Victor Meldrew » 23 Aug 2011 16:57

Vision What exactly are we reaping?

Seems to me a case could be made that we're seeing the benefits of our policy of investing in nurturing our own talent or polishing supposed turds and passing them off as gems.

Also I swear to hear people talk on here you'd think its been one successive season after another of abject failure. We've had one poor season in recent times and even that was a final day relegation from the heady heights of the Premiership, a Division some of the more vociferous complainers on HNA constantly predicted we'd never get to under JM.

Sure there are some disappointments but thats generally the lot of a football fan anyway. 2 play-off campaigns and 2 FA Cup quarter finals in 3 seasons is hardly armageddon.

Its 4 games into the season for oxf*rd sake.

I'll see your "reap what you sow" and raise you a "careful what you wish for"


It is also a common theme among football fans to moan.
Despite their regular success Man Utd fans still moan that they have only reached the European Cup final but not won it and that Fergie has only brought in 3 new players and not 4.
Chelsea fans moan that they have only come second and didn't actually reach the European Cup final last season and are only going to spend about £40 million in this window.
It is how it is with football fans and in the context of RFC quite a few people see the club selling our best two players and not doing much to replace them so they moan.

Football fans don't generally (other perhaps than some Arsenal fans) delight in thinking that their club is well run-they want to see top quality football from the team they support or at the very least be entertained in seeing a few goals and hope that their side can go on to a higher level where we can see the best players in the country performing every other week (as we had just a few years ago).
Obviously fans of most clubs will be disappointed as there are only a few winners but message boards and fanzines are outlets for the disappointed to have a moan and discuss what they would like their club to be doing.

One frustration for fans is the mixed messages that emanate from our club.
One minute it is all about our ambition to get back to the Premier League,the next it is that we have serious money problems and the next is that we have to sell our best players and we won't get as much as you fans think so don't raise your hopes for new players ( which in most people's eyes contradicts the stated ambition of promotion).So it goes round and round with the chairman and manager talking up players who this week have been poor and show no signs of being up there later on.
Also when you look at a team sheet that includes the likes of Harte,Hunt and Church you are bound to query whether this team has a chance of promotion as it is weaker than last season when we didn't get promotion.

It is very early in the season and we all want a good start but it takes a giant leap of faith to assume that the team will show the improvement of last season especially after two defeats AND the words from the club that there may only be one more player coming in.
Yes,for a little club in Berkshire we have done o.k over the past 2 seasons but they hardly compare with the position 4 years or so ago finishing 8th in the Premier League and fans,quite naturally,want more of that.

Incidentally I love it when people talk about reaching the quarter-finals of the FA Cup as if it is some massive achievement-reaching the quarter-finals IS massive if you start in round 1 but to be losing quarter-finalists having come in at round 3 is not IMHO sensational it should be round about the norm for a middle range Championship club when the Premier clubs nearly all put out weakened teams and of course in a knockout competition a number of Premier clubs will have been drawn against each other and be knocked out by round 5.

Somehow I do think our club has to cut down on selling it's best younger players if we have a genuine aspiration of reaching the Premier League again as the manager and staff cannot consistently pull rabbits out of the hat and apart from the untried Obita there is quite a gap between the 22 year olds (or thereabouts) in Church,Pearce,Karacan,HRK and McCarthy and players from the Academy to replenish our stock-where are the 21,20,19 and 18 year olds pushing for first team places that happens with most clubs?
Has the Academy supply line that the club now supposedly will rely upon now dried up?

Anyway for those of a low attention span or for those who can't be bothered to read the above, the message is that football fans like to moan so don't come on a message board expecting fans to just post appreciation threads for their clubs.
Why do you think fanzines and message boards exist?

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Re: Reap what you sow

by brendywendy » 23 Aug 2011 17:06

all very well moaning, but not when there is a load of evidence that contradicts your moans.





One frustration for fans is the mixed messages that emanate from our club.
One minute it is all about our ambition to get back to the Premier League,the next it is that we have serious money problems and the next is that we have to sell our best players and we won't get as much as you fans think so don't raise your hopes for new players ( which in most people's eyes contradicts the stated ambition of promotion).So it goes round and round with the chairman and manager talking up players who this week have been poor and show no signs of being up there later on.
Also when you look at a team sheet that includes the likes of Harte,Hunt and Church you are bound to query whether this team has a chance of promotion as it is weaker than last season when we didn't get promotion.


i dont think there is a mixed message at all.
i dont think there is any contradiction in saying we have an ambition to get back to the prem, and also saying we have to do so while managing our finances strictly.

internet morons think that ambitions and goals are things we are promising to definitely achieve, and bloody soon, at any cost.rather than simply being aspirational, but that doesnt mean thats what ambition, and goals actually means

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by Victor Meldrew » 23 Aug 2011 17:15

brendywendy all very well moaning, but not when there is a load of evidence that contradicts your moans.





One frustration for fans is the mixed messages that emanate from our club.
One minute it is all about our ambition to get back to the Premier League,the next it is that we have serious money problems and the next is that we have to sell our best players and we won't get as much as you fans think so don't raise your hopes for new players ( which in most people's eyes contradicts the stated ambition of promotion).So it goes round and round with the chairman and manager talking up players who this week have been poor and show no signs of being up there later on.
Also when you look at a team sheet that includes the likes of Harte,Hunt and Church you are bound to query whether this team has a chance of promotion as it is weaker than last season when we didn't get promotion.


i dont think there is a mixed message at all.
i dont think there is any contradiction in saying we have an ambition to get back to the prem, and also saying we have to do so while managing our finances strictly.

internet morons think that ambitions and goals are things we are promising to definitely achieve, and bloody soon, at any cost.rather than simply being aspirational, but that doesnt mean thats what ambition, and goals actually means


Could somebody please translate.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by Alan Partridge » 23 Aug 2011 17:19

Can understand why Ian Royal doesn't go to be fair, Cambridge to Ding is a commute and I wouldn't watch Reading if they were playing in my back garden. Would turn the sprinklers on and close the curtains.

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Re: Reap what you sow

by brendywendy » 23 Aug 2011 17:25

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brendywendy all very well moaning, but not when there is a load of evidence that contradicts your moans.





One frustration for fans is the mixed messages that emanate from our club.
One minute it is all about our ambition to get back to the Premier League,the next it is that we have serious money problems and the next is that we have to sell our best players and we won't get as much as you fans think so don't raise your hopes for new players ( which in most people's eyes contradicts the stated ambition of promotion).So it goes round and round with the chairman and manager talking up players who this week have been poor and show no signs of being up there later on.
Also when you look at a team sheet that includes the likes of Harte,Hunt and Church you are bound to query whether this team has a chance of promotion as it is weaker than last season when we didn't get promotion.


i dont think there is a mixed message at all.
i dont think there is any contradiction in saying we have an ambition to get back to the prem, and also saying we have to do so while managing our finances strictly.

internet morons think that ambitions and goals are things we are promising to definitely achieve, and bloody soon, at any cost.rather than simply being aspirational, but that doesnt mean thats what ambition, and goals actually means


Could somebody please translate.


for the brain spazzers among you.its not a mixed message.
ambitions, and goals are aspirational.
saying"i have ambition" doesnt mean you are promising to throw everything you possibly can at it.
it is possible to have two ambitions. you could have ambition to get to the premiere league, and have a goal to be financially independant. and youd have to balance the two.

pretty simple really.

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