QPR points deduction?

[Mr. Reading]

Except we'd have to play them, without one of our 4 best player, when they are superior to anyone else we'd have to play.

IMO barring promotion or relegation aren't likely outcomes. And even if they were it would mean the play off positions get shunted down a bit and then happen as normal, not the Final losers get promoted.

The fact that the season hasn't ended backs this up. Any deduction takes place before all the games are finished, and therefore will be treated the same as, say, Plymouth's deduction. If the last game had already been played, then a deduction may not shunt positions, but as it is this means Norwich and Cardiff take the top 2 places (assuming a 15 points deduction of course).

As for me, I would be happy for Cardiff to be promoted in lieu of QPR, despite the fact they've also effectively cheated to get there. The QPR fans' sheer arrogance that they won't be punished for breaking the rules has made my blood boil, and I'm prepared to take anything to see the smug grins wiped off their stupid little faces.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

I still reckon a points deduction NEXT season is the best way out of all this mess.

At which point, the teams that finish 3rd through 7th in this season's Championship will surely all appeal against the decision?

[Rex]

I still reckon a points deduction NEXT season is the best way out of all this mess.

Would they allow themselves to get to the Prem with negative points. I'm not so sure the club would accept that and play with enough confidence to avoid the drop.

[Ian Royal]

Fingers crossed for Swansea pipping third, and going up automatically with Norwich. Then Cardiff beating QPR in the semis only to lose to us in the finals as we beat Forest on the way.


I doubt very much that any club other than QPR has a right of Appeal TROLI. They might mount a legal challenge, or sue QPR, but that would take months and would never be finished before the start of next season.

[Bandini]

I still reckon a points deduction NEXT season is the best way out of all this mess.

Makes a bit of a mockery of the PL competition next year, as well as the unfairness of cheating in one competition leading to punishment in a separate competition.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I'm sure that Torquay, Hereford and all the others to suffer from punishments could say the same thing.

Although they weren't accused of trying to falsify documentation

Quite different "crimes" though for those clubs.

[rhroyal]

Therefore NO NEED TO DELAY POs unless there's a points deduction which specifically put QPR into the POs

And as such I'm starting to think that the "leaked 15 point deduction" is looking more and more likely.

Or a bigger one that puts out of play off contention

Love the statement by QPR's manager that "everything was done in good faith" - like that makes it OK

I'm not sure the play-offs can really be considered though. If they're looking at points deductions, the punishment must fit the crime. If they 3rd party ownership is worth 5 and the deliberate lying worth 10 (this is hypothetical in every sense; first that they're guilty of these and 2nd that they're worth this), then 15 points should be deducted.

Nobody would have moaned about the impact on the play-offs 2 months ago. It would just seem more cruel on the final weekend. The FA have made a right balls up. QPR attempted to buy out the 3rd party ownership in September. A hearing date was set in February, for Friday. Utterly ridiculous timing. You'd think top lawyers would have been able to prepare their cases by April or so.

I believe there are 3 charges on the table.

The first relates to 3rd party ownership. There is no precedent for this; the rule was created as a result of the Tevez affair.

The second relates to an unlicensed agent or something. I believe there have been points deducted for this in the past.

The third is by far the most serious. It involves falsifying documents and effectively lying to the FA to cover the 1st two up.

It's worth noting that the player himself has been registered throughout and the allegations surround his arrival at QPR. Hence, deducting all points for games he has played in won't happen.

If they're found guilty of the 3rd charge, I imagine big big penalties. Possibly relegation, certainly a big enough deduction to miss out on the play-offs entirely. Lets hope!

[Svlad Cjelli]

I still reckon a points deduction NEXT season is the best way out of all this mess.

Makes a bit of a mockery of the PL competition next year, as well as the unfairness of cheating in one competition leading to punishment in a separate competition.

But the majority of other PL clubs would probably be quite happy about it, since it would take up one of the relagation places.

And the cheating isn't really competition specific, it's ownership specific - it's the FA who are bringing the charges, rather than the FL, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[Ian Royal]

The second relates to an unlicensed agent or something. I believe there have been points deducted for this in the past.

Luton got 10 points for that didn't they? Although this one seems the least likely for them to be found guilty as I read months ago the agent was a well known registered agent?

The only other defences have been much more generic along the lines of "we didn't do it guv" and "best of intentions"

[Bandini]

I still reckon a points deduction NEXT season is the best way out of all this mess.

Makes a bit of a mockery of the PL competition next year, as well as the unfairness of cheating in one competition leading to punishment in a separate competition.

But the majority of other PL clubs would probably be quite happy about it, since it would take up one of the relagation places.

And the cheating isn't really competition specific, it's ownership specific - it's the FA who are bringing the charges, rather than the FL, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I don't see that the organisation bringing the charge is relevant. Nor is it relevant if clubs other than those in the same competition don't object. As far as is possible the punishment should try to respond to the situation created by the broken rules - so if a punishment can be imposed which affects those clubs in the same competitors then it should be (cf nothing can be done to rectify any problems which occurred last season). Assuming of course that the problems do relate, in part at least, to this season rather than last season.

[Royal Lady]

They lied - they tried to cover it all up - THAT is the worst offence in my book - if they'd just said they hadn't realised and went on to rectify it - then maybe a small fine or something at the end of the season would have sufficed. But why should they get away with lying and cheating? Anything other than throwing the book at them won't stop it happening again. And it's another nail in the coffin of football as we used to know it.

Relegate them to League One - fine them millions. On appeal, they can be re-instated to Championship for next season. Job done.

[Rex]

Blimey RL. No getting on the wrong side of you.

[rhroyal]

They lied - they tried to cover it all up - THAT is the worst offence in my book - if they'd just said they hadn't realised and went on to rectify it - then maybe a small fine or something at the end of the season would have sufficed. But why should they get away with lying and cheating? Anything other than throwing the book at them won't stop it happening again. And it's another nail in the coffin of football as we used to know it.

Relegate them to League One - fine them millions. On appeal, they can be re-instated to Championship for next season. Job done.

IF there is strong evidence to support that then I agree with you. Lets be honest though, all we can do on here is speculate.

[Royal Lady]

Blimey RL. No getting on the wrong side of you.

Thing is, I daren't say all this on FB as most of my family are QPR supporters.

[Royal Lady]

They lied - they tried to cover it all up - THAT is the worst offence in my book - if they'd just said they hadn't realised and went on to rectify it - then maybe a small fine or something at the end of the season would have sufficed. But why should they get away with lying and cheating? Anything other than throwing the book at them won't stop it happening again. And it's another nail in the coffin of football as we used to know it.

Relegate them to League One - fine them millions. On appeal, they can be re-instated to Championship for next season. Job done.

IF there is strong evidence to support that then I agree with you. Lets be honest though, all we can do on here is speculate.

I thought it was well documented that despite it being pointed out to them and asked to rectify it, they did no such thing and carried on as they were?

[rhroyal]

They lied - they tried to cover it all up - THAT is the worst offence in my book - if they'd just said they hadn't realised and went on to rectify it - then maybe a small fine or something at the end of the season would have sufficed. But why should they get away with lying and cheating? Anything other than throwing the book at them won't stop it happening again. And it's another nail in the coffin of football as we used to know it.

Relegate them to League One - fine them millions. On appeal, they can be re-instated to Championship for next season. Job done.

IF there is strong evidence to support that then I agree with you. Lets be honest though, all we can do on here is speculate.

I thought it was well documented that despite it being pointed out to them and asked to rectify it, they did no such thing and carried on as they were?

However you have to wonder how much the people reporting on it really know. I imagine there's lots of confidential information involved. If it had somehow been linked to the press that they've been doing this, very strong rumours relating to relegation would be flying around right now.

[Royal Lady]

This is in General Football but also worth covering here as it has an impact on the promotion places :

QPR have just been charged with 7 counts of fielding an ineligible player - including providing false documentation to cover this up - so all bets on their points total could be off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/8371690/Queens-Park-Rangers-face-points-deduction-after-fielding-ineligible-player.html

And for the chance to see Colin spontaneously combust with fury, is there any better news?

rhroyal - I think it's universally agreed that they cheated and lied.

[rhroyal]

This is in General Football but also worth covering here as it has an impact on the promotion places :

QPR have just been charged with 7 counts of fielding an ineligible player - including providing false documentation to cover this up - so all bets on their points total could be off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/8371690/Queens-Park-Rangers-face-points-deduction-after-fielding-ineligible-player.html

And for the chance to see Colin spontaneously combust with fury, is there any better news?

rhroyal - I think it's universally agreed that they cheated and lied.

It's universally agreed that they've been charged with cheating and lying. Does not mean guilty.

[Royal Lady]

Whatever, Mr Warnock, whatever!

[pooandwee]

BR has hinted that the play-offs could potentially be delayed pending an appeal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13252932.stm