If Madejski's Next Appointment Fails...

[Yorkshire Royal]

Yawn.. Nobody wants to buy Reading football club. It's a loss making business.

[Dorset-Knob]

Anyone would be better than the Madman... I wonder how much he could raise out of selling on Ebay???

Really Anyone?????

God there aint half some prats on here...

PLUS ONE!

[Dorset-Knob]

I will be calling for his head, yes.

That is because you are a championship manager playing simpleton

No, it is because I can see that Madejski is poorly-advised and clearly panicked.

Royalee for the benefit of a "thick supporter" please can you explain what you mean in relation to "poorly advised and clearly panicked"?

[Royalee]

Sure - look at our form from February last season and we averaged 1.05 points per game including the playoffs, WITH Doyle, Kitson and Lita at the club in addition to the others we sold. In the November and December, we have averaged 1.3 points per game and this was during a time when we threw away points at Derby at at home to Scunthorpe, the latter being a game we should have won at ease and would have if we'd had someone even half as good as Doyle. If the club based the sacking on performances as they say, then why didn't this happen after the QPR game, as performances and results have improved considerably since then and one would have though they would continue to get better with the addition of at least one striker with the return of Church and Long (even if Long is shit)?

I find it quite baffling that the last time we asset stripped (and that's exactly what we're doing to this business, not 'cutting cloth' or 'ensuring our future' and all the other rubbish coming out of the club - to do these you still need to bring in suitable replacements on lower wages which Rodgers wasn't able to do in terms of our attacking options), when we sold Shaka, Osborn, Taylor and so forth, we stayed up by the skin of our teeth focusing on the 'short term' before sacking the new management duo, bringing in Bullivant and getting relegated. Yet in spite of this, when we have done it even more than in '95, Rodgers was expected to somehow turn water into wine with a young squad which he was trying to build and sacked after 4 months of competitive matches into his and Madejski's '3 year plan'. The fact that even this forum, which is renowned for its knee-jerk reactions during Pardew's early days and 2004/5, held a vote in which Rodgers was voted to remain by a majority (however slim it was), says it all.

If you look at the top clubs around, they all (even Man City with Mark Hughes) give their managers time to create THEIR team, and you simply cannot do that inside 6 months. Sir Alex Ferguson could easily have been sacked with a Madejski in charge at Old Trafford during his early days, but their hierarchy actually know a thing or two about football, could see what he was trying to build and reaped the benefits. Our impatient chairman has acted rashly, as if destroying most of his hard work in the last 2 years wasn't bad enough, he has now destroyed the chance of us building a sustainable successful future within his strict budgets. If you look at all of the best parts to our team, all of them were caused by Rodgers - he's brought in Sigurdsson and Church who have shone, Bertrand who has been excellent at left back, and our main goal threat in Rasiak and McAnuff. If you look at McAnuff and Rasiak's history, their performances have dropped significantly when not settled under their manager, so we can kiss bye bye to the Championship.

I've supported Reading for a fair while now and all this time while Madejski has been at the helm, we have looked to build to the future and create something positive, even in the days of Bullivant and Burns - we looked towards the long term. In the last 2 and a half years, that outlook has completely changed, we have looked to get by as cheaply as we can and done a botch job. We thought we had enough players to keep us up in the Premiership and didn't strengthen, we kept hold of Coppell as he seemed the 'safe' option when he wanted out and there was no long term plan, we brought in Rodgers to build for the future once again, but abandon the plan after 6 months, panicking. I have followed this club home and away for years and could never support any other club, but right now with the exception of our youngsters and a handful of dedicated first teamers like Tabb, McAnuff and Rasiak, I feel absolutely nothing for what we have become. We've completely abandoned what we set out to do in favour of short term 'gain', which will be shown up for what it is come May, we treat long-term employees of the club like shit, we treat our fans like idiots and everyone is laughing at us.

[facaldaqui]

I don't think everyone's laughing at us: we've sacked a manager no one's heard of, so what? To be honest, no one's very interested in Reading except Reading supporters. And there are lots above us in the laughing stocks stakes in this division: Newcastle (chairman), Watford, Cardiff, Plymouth, Crystal Palace (financial difficulties), Middlesbrough (sack Southgate and now can't win for toffees), Peterborough (losing manager, having Fry), Ipswich (spent all that money to no avail), QPR (go through managers like confetti and have pompous clowns on the board).

[Forbury Lion]

Could we see Madejski Is Not Investing & Since Kicked Into Readings Team Day??? Mini Skirt Day.

Now that Brendan Rogers Army, Bra theme games are no more I can see mini skirts instead of Bra's being the order of the day.

[Dorset-Knob]

Thanks for that Royalee, clearly a thoughtful, sincere opinion, which may or may not be correct in part or in full, who knows?

I'm of the opinion though that BR was out of his depth and experimenting with the team, (restrictions factored in) and ultimately would have taken us down.

You are now of course on the horns of a dilema, you want the team to rally, recover, improve and succeed, presumably, which would of course prove you wrong/mistaken, or at the very least blindly optimistic!

Time will tell, but I'm hoping for success for the team in the same way as I had hoped for BR to succeed. If you are correct, he'll flourish elsewhere and good luck to him, but I am naturally cautious I suppose and would advocate evolution over revolution.

Whatever happens now the club needs the supporters more than ever before, so I will be going to Brizzle tomorrow to give them a shout!

[Big McC]

Royalee, that is a great post. Well presented, logical argument.

[ROKERITE]

Sure - look at our form from February last season and we averaged 1.05 points per game including the playoffs, WITH Doyle, Kitson and Lita at the club in addition to the others we sold. In the November and December, we have averaged 1.3 points per game and this was during a time when we threw away points at Derby at at home to Scunthorpe, the latter being a game we should have won at ease and would have if we'd had someone even half as good as Doyle. If the club based the sacking on performances as they say, then why didn't this happen after the QPR game, as we have performances and results have improved considerably since then and one would have though they would continue to get better with the addition of at least one striker with the return of Church and Long (even if Long is shit)?

I find it quite baffling that the last time we asset stripped (and that's exactly what we're doing to this business, not 'cutting cloth' or 'ensuring our future' and all the other rubbish coming out of the club - to do these you still need to bring in suitable replacements on lower wages which Rodgers wasn't able to do in terms of our attacking options), when we sold Shaka, Osborn, Taylor and so forth, we stayed up by the skin of our teeth focusing on the 'short term' before sacking the new management duo, bringing in Bullivant and getting relegated. Yet in spite of this, when we have done it even more than in '95, Rodgers was expected to somehow turn water into wine with a young squad which he was trying to build and sacked after 4 months of competitive matches into his and Madejski's '3 year plan'. The fact that even this forum, which is renowned for its knee-jerk reactions during Pardew's early days and 2004/5, held a vote in which Rodgers was voted to remain by a majority (however slim it was), says it all.

If you look at the top clubs around, they all (even Man City with Mark Hughes) give their managers time to create THEIR team, and you simply cannot do that inside 6 months. Sir Alex Ferguson could easily have been sacked with a Madejski in charge at Old Trafford during his early days, but their hierarchy actually know a thing or two about football, could see what he was trying to build and reaped the benefits. Our impatient chairman has acted rashly, as if destroying most of his hard work in the last 2 years wasn't bad enough, he has now destroyed the chance of us building a sustainable successful future within his strict budgets. If you look at all of the best parts to our team, all of them were caused by Rodgers - he's brought in Sigurdsson and Church who have shone, Bertrand who has been excellent at left back, and our main goal threat in Rasiak and McAnuff. If you look at McAnuff and Rasiak's history, their performances have dropped significantly when not settled under their manager, so we can kiss bye bye to the Championship.

I've supported Reading for a fair while now and all this time while Madejski has been at the helm, we have looked to build to the future and create something positive, even in the days of Bullivant and Burns - we looked towards the long term. In the last 2 and a half years, that outlook has completely changed, we have looked to get by as cheaply as we can and done a botch job. We thought we had enough players to keep us up in the Premiership and didn't strengthen, we kept hold of Coppell as he seemed the 'safe' option when he wanted out and there was no long term plan, we brought in Rodgers to build for the future once again, but abandon the plan after 6 months, panicking. I have followed this club home and away for years and could never support any other club, but right now with the exception of our youngsters and a handful of dedicated first teamers like Tabb, McAnuff and Rasiak, I feel absolutely nothing for what we have become. We've completely abandoned what we set out to do in favour of short term 'gain', which will be shown up for what it is come May, we treat long-term employees of the club like shit, we treat our fans like idiots and everyone is laughing at us.

Actually, that's a very sensible and balanced post. You've made your points very well and haven't gone over the top like you sometimes do. I agree with every word except the final five. As facaldaqui says, everyone isn't laughing at Reading; in fact Rodgers' dismissal has gone under the radar of most football fans.

[readingbedding]

Thanks for that Royalee, clearly a thoughtful, sincere opinion, which may or may not be correct in part or in full, who knows?

I'm of the opinion though that BR was out of his depth and experimenting with the team, (restrictions factored in) and ultimately would have taken us down.

You are now of course on the horns of a dilema, you want the team to rally, recover, improve and succeed, presumably, which would of course prove you wrong/mistaken, or at the very least blindly optimistic!

Time will tell, but I'm hoping for success for the team in the same way as I had hoped for BR to succeed. If you are correct, he'll flourish elsewhere and good luck to him, but I am naturally cautious I suppose and would advocate evolution over revolution.

Whatever happens now the club needs the supporters more than ever before, so I will be going to Brizzle tomorrow to give them a shout!

Re-read it, a lot of it is bollox.

[floyd__streete]

Rodgers' dismissal has gone under the radar of most football fans.

But - sadly for us - not your own.

[Royalee]

Perhaps 'everyone' is wrong, but if you look at what Gary Johnson has said, along with everyone else in football, they all feel that it's a very rash decision. Most fans probably don't give a toss, but the more knowledgeable ones (and more importantly the likes of Darren Ferguson, who has just seen us act exactly the same way as his short-sighted former employers, and any potential candidates who might be positive for us) will see us for what we are.

[floyd__streete]

Perhaps 'everyone' is wrong, but if you look at what Gary Johnson has said, along with everyone else in football, they all feel that it's a very rash decision.

Yes, but just like Wenger and Fergsuon insisted in 2008 that Reading weren't going down, it is the kind of thing managers say isn't it. They are a bretheren. Would you expect Johnson to say: "It is no surprise to me at all, they have been a sh*tting shambles".

[readingbedding]

22 games
6 Wins
5 Drawn
11 Lost

See
You
Later.

[Magnus]

The club is on the market. Has been for several years.

What are you suggesting?

That we have no shortage of thick supporters.

We are awash with them at the moment.

There's a few of them on this thread

[shoey]

as previously said the club has been on market since before our prem days and during and now, no one with any decent money or love for the club and its future has turned up!

[Arch]

Perhaps 'everyone' is wrong, but if you look at what Gary Johnson has said, along with everyone else in football, they all feel that it's a very rash decision.

Weren't these also the people who voted Steve Coppell Manager of the year twice?

[Royalee]

Perhaps 'everyone' is wrong, but if you look at what Gary Johnson has said, along with everyone else in football, they all feel that it's a very rash decision.

Yes, but just like Wenger and Fergsuon insisted in 2008 that Reading weren't going down, it is the kind of thing managers say isn't it. They are a bretheren. Would you expect Johnson to say: "It is no surprise to me at all, they have been a sh*tting shambles".

No, but then again I wouldn't expect the likes of Mick Gooding to come out and say what he has, along with the rest of the players. I don't remember Noel Hunt being gutted when Coppell left. Fair enough if in March we're still around the bottom - sack him, it hasn't worked, but in December is an absolute farce.

[Royalee]

Perhaps 'everyone' is wrong, but if you look at what Gary Johnson has said, along with everyone else in football, they all feel that it's a very rash decision.

Weren't these also the people who voted Steve Coppell Manager of the year twice?

Yep - he was deserving of it on those two occasions. Unfortunately for us his faults came back to haunt us though.

[sandman]

everyone is laughing at us.

No just laughing at you.